ok, thanks! right now they have a gold huge to the anal fins. theyalso have gold spangels on their dorcil. another reason i am leaning away from mono or occel is from what i have seen/remember is that the black stripe doesn't go all the way to the end of the tail fin. i thought it stopped. i could have that flipped, but thats what i remember. i also don't recal my mono having blue at the tip of the tail like these do. that was one thing i noticed about my orino when i got it was the blue in its tail that my mono didn't have. those type of little things are making me think to far into it, or possibly far enough into it.