The Ohio situation. Read- this may effect us all

[kamikaziechameleon]

If you don't have the mental capacity to see the difference between keeping a 8" fish in a large aquarium, and keeping a damn bear or a tiger, then there's no point in even addressing your comment.

Seriously there are individuals out there with a means and will to keep such animals legally and safely and with respect to the animal. Sadly we don't get any media coverage for these people. While I think exotic animal trade is fine I'm more inclined to recommend some oversight for dangerous animals but I'm always going to be against banning anything. As we've seen with many of the animals that came closest to extinction and bounced back many of them were saved and kept at zoos, businesses, or privately owned.

Punishing and criminalizing good animal keepers for the sins of the bad ones is not good government in the least. I think we should ban computers because some people pirate stuff on them, better yet we should ban guns, ban pets, blah blah blah its just gets ridiculous that stance is indefensible and makes no rational sense.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

To throw one group of animal keepers under the bus, so to speak, only weakens the numbers for keeping animals. It is much easier to ban further groups of animals once one segment of animal keepers is extinguished. It's the same logic as some of those who keep large constrictors advocating for banning the keeping of venomous reptiles; those supporters will be the next to come under fire for keeping those snakes as pets and suddenly find themselves in the same position as the the people who just had their pets banned except with less support for letting them continue to keep their pets.

It's also worth noting that the private propagation of certain species takes a lot of pressure (financial and otherwise) off of zoos and other institutions when it comes to breeding animals for reintroduction in the wild. A ban on keeping wild and exotic animals would only serve to hurt the reintroduction efforts that are being perpetuated by responsible private individuals, zoos, and other organizations.

Regulation is the correct answer rather than a blanket ban.

AMEN!!!

Its funny to see any anti pet keeping on this website IMHO. Everyone makes examples out of people with fish but how about dogs, HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR DOG OR CAT??? Should I not be able to have a dog or cat, or have kids because there are neglectful parents out there??? If you follow the line of logic most anti pet people or BAN this people follow it quickly melts away into nothing because its just so Black and white you can take their logic and paint it on anything and make them look like a total hypocrite.

If you look at this situation and read up on this guy he should have had his "dangerous" animals exotic and not confiscated a while ago but the government sat on its hands! So tell me how more legislation does anything??? Yeah he went to jail but that didn't effect the situation meaningfully at all. Just saying this guy owning animals of any type was probably a crime.

 

[jcardona1]

Seriously there are individuals out there with a means and will to keep such animals legally and safely and with respect to the animal.

That's the thing. Something like the Ohio incident can happen anytime, anywhere, with anybody. You have no control over what a human being will do. One could provide the best and safest facility for these animals, have all the necessary permits, etc etc. If one day he decides to F it all, free all these animals from their cages and kill himself, what good was all that "regulation"? It's not gonna change a thing.

 

[Wiggles92]

AMEN!!!

Its funny to see any anti pet keeping on this website IMHO. Everyone makes examples out of people with fish but how about dogs, HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR DOG OR CAT??? Should I not be able to have a dog or cat, or have kids because there are neglectful parents out there??? If you follow the line of logic most anti pet people or BAN this people follow it quickly melts away into nothing because its just so Black and white you can take their logic and paint it on anything and make them look like a total hypocrite.

If you look at this situation and read up on this guy he should have had his "dangerous" animals exotic and not confiscated a while ago but the government sat on its hands! So tell me how more legislation does anything??? Yeah he went to jail but that didn't effect the situation meaningfully at all. Just saying this guy owning animals of any type was probably a crime.

Did I mention that in this particular case the animals were set to be given to another sanctuary back in January, but the sheriff would not allow them to do so?

 

[jcardona1]

Its funny to see any anti pet keeping on this website

Pet? A pet? Give me a freaking break. An elephant is not a pet. A tiger is not a pet. A bear is not a pet. I don't know how some can be so hard-headed to not realize that.

 

[Wiggles92]

That's the thing. Something like the Ohio incident can happen anytime, anywhere, with anybody. You have no control over what a human being will do. One could provide the best and safest facility for these animals, have all the necessary permits, etc etc. If one day he decides to F it all, free all these animals from their cages and kill himself, what good was all that "regulation"? It's not gonna change a thing.

Same could be said for any animal, domestic or otherwise. For example, feral dogs are a big problem now in many major U.S. cities because people abandon their pets, and the dogs revert back to their wild tendencies in order to survive. There are many recorded attacks from these dogs as well as many that go unreported yet we don't ban the keeping of dogs as pets.

 

[jcardona1]

Same could be said for any animal, domestic or otherwise. For example, feral dogs are a big problem now in many major U.S. cities because people abandon their pets, and the dogs revert back to their wild tendencies in order to survive. There are many recorded attacks from these dogs as well as many that go unreported yet we don't ban the keeping of dogs as pets.

Of course. So what do you do? Turn a blind eye? It's obvious imposing more individual regulation doesn't work.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

That's the thing. Something like the Ohio incident can happen anytime, anywhere, with anybody. You have no control over what a human being will do. One could provide the best and safest facility for these animals, have all the necessary permits, etc etc. If one day he decides to F it all, free all these animals from their cages and kill himself, what good was all that "regulation"? It's not gonna change a thing.

I can stab someone with a kitchen knife at any time, lets ban sharp objects. The logic here is flawed isn't it?

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

Pet? A pet? Give me a freaking break. An elephant is not a pet. A tiger is not a pet. A bear is not a pet. I don't know how some can be so hard-headed to not realize that.

people in indo china would disagree, actually elephants make great pets.

 

[jcardona1]

I can stab someone with a kitchen knife at any time, lets ban sharp objects. The logic here is flawed isn't it?

It sure is. The world tends to be like that. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what I think, or what you think. I think keeping certain exotic animals is wrong. You think it's fine. That's all there is to it. We're not gonna sway each others views.