The real BATMAN
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DavidW;3358274; said:
So what if somebody just wanted to give it a good home and happy life, outside of breeding?
Still kill it?
If it is a healthy ray let it live. I hope it finds a good home.
It has character.
No single person is the same and neither are rays.
It has character.
No single person is the same and neither are rays.
without a doubt some schmuck will breed for the defect, if not with this ray then with others, in fact some already are trying to. Look at the discus world, high body ( Gan's) were a deformed spine. Butterflies were a defect with no tail but hyped as desirable, there's other examples too with discus and with other species. Don;t you just adore those bug-eyed goldfish that can;t swim due to breeding defects. A lot of the same guys are now the ones producing ray hybrids all over the place.
In rays the batman defect is what is visible, what other internal problems are associated? I would love to see a skilled autopsy done on one for comparison.
All I'm sayin' is; its a "slippery slope" not culling or even breeding defects , and some bonehead will still try to make some bucks from breeding batmans. As soon as this one is out of Mike's hands it is out of his control and the temptation to become Dr Moreau for $$'s is often hard to resist. In the wild nature would cull this ray P.D.Q.
In rays the batman defect is what is visible, what other internal problems are associated? I would love to see a skilled autopsy done on one for comparison.
All I'm sayin' is; its a "slippery slope" not culling or even breeding defects , and some bonehead will still try to make some bucks from breeding batmans. As soon as this one is out of Mike's hands it is out of his control and the temptation to become Dr Moreau for $$'s is often hard to resist. In the wild nature would cull this ray P.D.Q.
DavidW;3359526; said:without a doubt some schmuck will breed for the defect, if not with this ray then with others, in fact some already are trying to. Look at the discus world, high body ( Gan's) were a deformed spine. Butterflies were a defect with no tail but hyped as desirable, there's other examples too with discus and with other species. Don;t you just adore those bug-eyed goldfish that can;t swim due to breeding defects. A lot of the same guys are now the ones producing ray hybrids all over the place.
In rays the batman defect is what is visible, what other internal problems are associated? I would love to see a skilled autopsy done on one for comparison.
All I'm sayin' is; its a "slippery slope" not culling or even breeding defects , and some bonehead will still try to make some bucks from breeding batmans. As soon as this one is out of Mike's hands it is out of his control and the temptation to become Dr Moreau for $$'s is often hard to resist. In the wild nature would cull this ray P.D.Q.
Agreed.
Just little update, Same female gave birth to three more pups tonight. One also has a slight V shape at front of disk and other two look normal to me.
I am still not convinced that breeding this ray will pass the defect on to it's offspring but I am just making a wild assumption. If it was more like a cleft lip that is not something that is passed on to children is it? So not sure this would be any different. If I do decide to let ray go it will be to a very responsible ray keeper so we can all see the ray grow and mature. It will not go into some secret goverment breeding program lol I promise that.
I am still not convinced that breeding this ray will pass the defect on to it's offspring but I am just making a wild assumption. If it was more like a cleft lip that is not something that is passed on to children is it? So not sure this would be any different. If I do decide to let ray go it will be to a very responsible ray keeper so we can all see the ray grow and mature. It will not go into some secret goverment breeding program lol I promise that.
