To Color Festae or Not to Color Festae...

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nolapete

Jack Dempsey
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I've kept, bred, and been around festae for over 20 years and I get fairly disgruntled over the terms I read and hear regarding this fish. Old wholesaler names such as "red terror," "true festae," "red festae," and the latest "wild green festae" set me in an uproar over this beloved cichlid.

In regard to "true festae," the solution is easiest. It's either a festae or it's a urophthalmus, not true or false festae!

In regard to "red terror," drop it. That's an old wholesaler/importer name. Festae is more acceptable amongst people who know and love the fish.

In regard to "red festae" and "green festae," those should be synonymous to the sex of the fish; females being red and males being green. Yes, there are exceptions, but more often than not the red female green male is going to be the norm.

If the "wild green festae" recently offered IS indeed a pair, I suspect that the female is a hybrid or off color morph. Not something I'd want circulating through festae bloodlines.

The fish that is supposedly the female looked to be a young male with some barring or was severely stressed. The male was ok looking, but I've seen MUCH better wild festae offered.

Some of the best female festae I've owned were wild ones from Jeff years ago; one of which is the female in my profile pic. The best pair I've seen bar none was the first pair Dan Woodland sent me that a certain airline's carelessness lead to their demise. The female was superior to every picture I've ever seen. The male was only second to the subsequent male I got from him. He can be seen in my avatar pic.

THIS IS MY OPINION.

Festae females are red and males are green. Strong barring in males is a desirable trait that is seldom found. The spangled sides are more common. Both together is spectacular. Neon blue/teal outlining on female barring is phenomenal when you find it.

Call them festae or wild festae and let their beauty say the rest.

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To locations 2 fish. Is it ok to cross Nic Dovii and CR Dovii? When you look at the 2 doviii they are as different as the festae. In most books the Green is referred to as blue, I guess it depends on if you are a lumper or a splitter.
 
So what you're saying is, true red terror festae are much nicer than the false green ones?
 
Pete, you are absolutely correct about everything except there being more than one variety of Festae. There are Equador and Columbian varieties and they are quite different like the Dovi Reagan mentioned and three varieties or Beani to name a couple. In thinking about it, I could mane 10 more Guapote type cichlids that have different colors and collection locals. As far as my fish being a hybid, obviosly I can't attest to that as they are wild and I didn't breed them. But I can assure you she is not stressed and looks that way 100% of the time. She has been the tank boss on a few occasions and looks the same even when chasing around other fish and obviosly aggressive. Like you, I have had Festae numerous times over the years, almost decades, and NEVER witnessed this color before. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they are any better that the red ones I owned before, quite to the contrary. After speaking to hobbeists and posting pictures on other forums It seemed they were a different variety and I labeled them as green not to dissapoint buyers who are looking for the nicer red morph. But you are right, They are just Columbian Festae, nothing more.
 
the wild green festae your referring to are the ones on aquabid and hes also a member here. he made a post stating that the only reason hes calling them green is because the female is a bit drab looking and stays that color and he wanted any buyers to know what they are seeing in the pics is a greenish drabish looking female that there going to get. hes not trying to say there a different kind.
 
you beat me to it. but ya i was just stating what you had said incase you didnt get a chance to reply.
 
I will send you a new trade offer today.

cavamart;4133191; said:
Pete, you are absolutely correct about everything except there being more than one variety of Festae. There are Equador and Columbian varieties and they are quite different like the Dovi Reagan mentioned and three varieties or Beani to name a couple. In thinking about it, I could mane 10 more Guapote type cichlids that have different colors and collection locals. As far as my fish being a hybid, obviosly I can't attest to that as they are wild and I didn't breed them. But I can assure you she is not stressed and looks that way 100% of the time. She has been the tank boss on a few occasions and looks the same even when chasing around other fish and obviosly aggressive. Like you, I have had Festae numerous times over the years, almost decades, and NEVER witnessed this color before. Don't get me wrong, I don't think they are any better that the red ones I owned before, quite to the contrary. After speaking to hobbeists and posting pictures on other forums It seemed they were a different variety and I labeled them as green not to dissapoint buyers who are looking for the nicer red morph. But you are right, They are just Columbian Festae, nothing more.
 
The Columbians are most likely another unnamed species from what I understand rather than a festae morph, but that's a matter of opinion I guess. Give me Ecuadoran festae!

If it is indeed a different morph based on locale, I'd think saying Ecuadoran festae and Columbian festae would be more appropriate.
 
The female festae that is in question on aquabid is not a hybrid. Her colors are not coming in for whatever reason (probably a dominance thing).

Here's my former festae that looks almost identical to the aquabid fish...
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No disrespect to you nolapete, but I've seen plenty of festae that meet the standards of what a festae should like from various festae keepers here at mfk and other forums.
 
nolapete;4133045; said:
RANT ON

Festae females are red and males are green. Strong barring in males is a desirable trait that is seldom found. The spangled sides are more common. Both together is spectacular. Neon blue/teal outlining on female barring is phenomenal when you find it.

Call them festae or wild festae and let their beauty say the rest.

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This quote kind of hurts your credibility. The male festae generally have spangling at all times. They get their barring when spawning.

Example of my male (all same fish)...
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Also, show me a better looking female than this =) solo female in a 55g tank...
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Her mama...the coloring of teal is a mood thing...
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