Tortoise and UVB

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loconorc;1129016; said:
UV LIGHT IS UNNNECESSARY FOR REPTILES! IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY AND YET ANOTHER WAY PET STORES SUCK MONEY OUT OF YOU.
Are you an idiot. Ever heard of calcium defficiency?

you are just a newbie... who knows little.

How about you talk to one of us that actually KNOW what we are talking about.

Just because someone does something.... doesnt mean it is right.
:banhim:
 
loconorc;1129016; said:
Ok, this crap is raised once again. UV LIGHT IS UNNNECESSARY FOR REPTILES! IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY AND YET ANOTHER WAY PET STORES SUCK MONEY OUT OF YOU. Consider Frank Retes, the 'goanna man'. Monitors are a reptile considered by newbies to need UV. Frank Retes has raises HUNDREDS of generations of 90% of monitor species for 40 YEARS on simply crickets, mice, and NO UV. Varied diet? Bull. UV light? Bull. If you like, talk to the man Frank himself on varanus.net. If youve wanted to meet the guy who literally is solely responsible for CB monitors, check it out..

You do realize that not all reptiles are the same? Everywhere around us has some strength of UV radiation. The question is how much? Some need a lot of exposure, some need very little or seemly none at all. Also it is debatable since some reptiles such as Blue-Tongued Skink are so hardy, it take years before the effects of improper husbandry to appear, and sometimes people can't pinpoint where they went wrong with the husbandry.

Turtles and tortoises do need UV, or their shells don't form properly. Diurnal lizards such as Iguanas and Bearded Dragons need UV as well. Snakes and monitors don't need as much UV, which means they don't need aided sources and are not needed for husbandry purposes, since they are evolved for [FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]fossorial[/FONT] life. It should be noted that when snakes and monitors are exposed to UV, they produce better colour. This is why you see some professional display setups with UV lightings.

Reptiles is an outdated scientific terminology from an academic point of view anyway with all the new genetic and cladistic evolutionary information out there. I means turtles evolved separately from lizards and snakes; and crocodilians and birds evolved separately from all of them.
 
Tylervsmith;1129205; said:
Are you an idiot. Ever heard of calcium defficiency?

you are just a newbie... who knows little.

How about you talk to one of us that actually KNOW what we are talking about.

Just because someone does something.... doesnt mean it is right.
:banhim:

He based his rationale on monitors, and probably snakes and crocodilians as well...
 
TheBloodyIrish;1129241; said:
You do realize that not all reptiles are the same? Everywhere around us has some strength of UV radiation. The question is how much? Some need a lot of exposure, some need very little or seemly none at all. Also it is debatable since some reptiles such as Blue-Tongued Skink are so hardy, it take years before the effects of improper husbandry to appear, and sometimes people can't pinpoint where they went wrong with the husbandry.

Turtles and tortoises do need UV, or their shells don't form properly. Diurnal lizards such as Iguanas and Bearded Dragons need UV as well. Snakes and monitors don't need as much UV, which means they don't need aided sources and are not needed for husbandry purposes, since they are evolved for [FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]fossorial[/FONT] life. It should be noted that when snakes and monitors are exposed to UV, they produce better colour. This is why you see some professional display setups with UV lightings.

Reptiles is an outdated scientific terminology from an academic point of view anyway with all the new genetic and cladistic evolutionary information out there. I means turtles evolved separately from lizards and snakes; and crocodilians and birds evolved separately from all of them.

Thanks Irish, i just dont understand why people dont realize when they need to not talk. He has no right to come to the forum and BASH us for something he is wrong about.

If he had a lick of sense he would be giving CORRECT advice.
 
TheBloodyIrish;1129247; said:
He based his rationale on monitors, and probably snakes and crocodilians as well...
i understand. But he said Reptiles in general. That was where I waas catching his mistakes. I mean really if you are coming on a forum to give advice to someone who actually has a question, give good advice.
 
heyy guys can you answer my question..
lol

where are you vicious_fish???!
 
IF you could keep the temp stable, it would be MUCH less stressful on the lil guy. He could get out of the water if he was uncomfortable with moving his head all the time.
 
wait sorry, i don't get what you mean..
are you saying my turtle will be all right sleeping underwater?
 
im confused the title says tort but your post mentions baby aquatic turt...any who vicousfish will show up again im sure...any who like i said turt/torts need uv it is what they use to produce calcium much like a plant uses co2 to produce food for themselves...they can get deficiencys from not enough uv but they cant OD on uv so the more time they get uv the merrier. all my turts/torts are one 12hr timers inside and when ever the sun sets for the ones outside.
 
oh vicedretard(lol?) i was interested in keeping a tortoise but since i have a aqautic turtle right now, it kinda migrated to him. haha

for the UV i was asking; since i some aquatic turtles don't require UVB lights and you can just sit them out in the sun. I was wondering if I can do that with tortoises(like the rusian) instead of buying a UVB light, can I just use sunlight instead.
see like vicios said..the baskers should have UVB lights so i was wondering if the russian tortoise is a basker or not..
 
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