Tortoise and UVB
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Why would you need to feed tuna? They need a simple, healthy diet. People LOVE to overcomplicate (and waste money).
And your setup from the sounds of it is less than ideal. You have a yellow mud correct? Any pictures of him or the setup? You are DRASTICALLY overcomplicating things.
And your setup from the sounds of it is less than ideal. You have a yellow mud correct? Any pictures of him or the setup? You are DRASTICALLY overcomplicating things.
no god damn it, i have a sonora mud turtle. where the hell did you get yellow mud.
why would I feed tuna? since a member called vicious_fish that sounds like he knows much better than you do, told me to. so i was wondering if any other saltwater fish are good.
and i still want to know about the breathing issue. i thought someone replied to me saying something like..if he doesn't like breathing in the middle of the night he'll go on the dock..
hey and anybody know if turtles will die if they get respitory infection?
why would I feed tuna? since a member called vicious_fish that sounds like he knows much better than you do, told me to. so i was wondering if any other saltwater fish are good.
and i still want to know about the breathing issue. i thought someone replied to me saying something like..if he doesn't like breathing in the middle of the night he'll go on the dock..
hey and anybody know if turtles will die if they get respitory infection?
I feed my turtles on Reptomin, Doromin (not sure if you have them in the US?!?!) Koi pellets and prawns. Sea food ok although not as a sole diet as there is too much iodine in it. Definitely no good for turtles like matamata that are from soft water in the Amazon tributaries. On the other side diamondbacks are often found in estauries so will eat loads of brackish fish and crustacea.
Dont want to get into the arguement about UVB as no need; all basking turtles and tortoises need UV otherwise they will suffer a lot of complications and most probably die.
Here in the UK all my chelonia have UVB which I use lamps instead of flourescent tubes as double up as heat lamps. There is just not enough daylight hours here for the reptiles requirements.
Dont want to get into the arguement about UVB as no need; all basking turtles and tortoises need UV otherwise they will suffer a lot of complications and most probably die.
Here in the UK all my chelonia have UVB which I use lamps instead of flourescent tubes as double up as heat lamps. There is just not enough daylight hours here for the reptiles requirements.
I'm telling you this as honest as can be. A complicated and varied diet and UV lights are unneeded. Musk and mud turtles do not require UVB, its the common sliders and other basking turtles that people THINK need uvb. A balanced, steady diet and a correct temperature range will ensure no metabolic bone disease or similar disorder does not happen. If you would like, I have references. No, those referances are not 20-year old outdated turtle care books from the 1970's, probably what most people read about turtles. Anyway, are you TRYING to waste your money? More variables means more chances for something to go wrong. If youre deadset on getting UV, go ahead and waste 50 bucks instead of the 5 you really need. Your turtle couldnt care less. Whats really questionable is how youre set up. That makes all the difference. Can you explain you setup? Sorry I don't have time to go look back and see if you already did.
Don't cuss please, just because I forgot what kind of turtle you have doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
Don't cuss please, just because I forgot what kind of turtle you have doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
I'd like to speak to this vicious_fish. Anyone who wastes money on tuna sounds fishy (pun intended). All you need is a quality turtle pellet, and the occasional earthworm or feeder fish treat if you so desire. It probably wont hurt your turtle, but why waste money on it? Again, more variables means more chances for something to go wrong.
I say this a lot: KISS! Keep It Simple Stupid! (stupid is not pointing at you, its just a phrase)
I say this a lot: KISS! Keep It Simple Stupid! (stupid is not pointing at you, its just a phrase)
loconorc;1131192; said:I'm telling you this as honest as can be. A complicated and varied diet and UV lights are unneeded. Musk and mud turtles do not require UVB, its the common sliders and other basking turtles that people THINK need uvb. A balanced, steady diet and a correct temperature range will ensure no metabolic bone disease or similar disorder does not happen. If you would like, I have references. No, those referances are not 20-year old outdated turtle care books from the 1970's, probably what most people read about turtles. Anyway, are you TRYING to waste your money? More variables means more chances for something to go wrong. If youre deadset on getting UV, go ahead and waste 50 bucks instead of the 5 you really need. Your turtle couldnt care less. Whats really questionable is how youre set up. That makes all the difference. Can you explain you setup? Sorry I don't have time to go look back and see if you already did.
Don't cuss please, just because I forgot what kind of turtle you have doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.
I think what you're trying to say is that UVB lights don't work, and are a waste of money. Though, it's comming off like turtles (and reptiles in general) don't need UVB.
You mentioned Frank Retes. He keeps most of his herps outside, right? Even UVB bulb addvocates would agree that natural sunlight is much better than bulbs.
UV lights are a waste of money. The UV production is low to none and decreases about a month after use. It is no substitue for the sun. Keep outdoors if you absolutely insist on UV, the sun produces infinite more amounts than any bulb. The same bodily proccess UV fuels can be accomplished through a healthy and stable diet. NOT tuna and whatever else you happen to have at the bottom of the grocery basket.
Frank keep his lacies and other large monitors and tortoises outside because of space issues. He keeps dwarf monitors, small torts, snakes, and everything else in a separate building indoors ALL WITHOUT UV. This guy has produced dozens upon dozens of generations of breeding monitors with consistant record size clutched WITHOUT UV for 30 plus years. That DOES NOT NOT NOT compare to 'Petco Joe' who kept a red ear alive and breathing for a week and decided to write a care sheet.
Frank Retes is an abosulte god, a pioneer in the reptile industry. Learning husbandry from him cannot be substituted by a mere book. And this is an understatement.
Turtle owner person, I'm just trying to save you the trouble, and if nothing else, teach other, less stubborn members. If you want to waste time and money on UV and tuna, go ahead. Your turtle couldnt care less about the light.
DUDE WOULD I BE WASTING MY TIME DOING THIS IF I WAS LYING? I'm trying to save you the trouble. KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid!
Frank keep his lacies and other large monitors and tortoises outside because of space issues. He keeps dwarf monitors, small torts, snakes, and everything else in a separate building indoors ALL WITHOUT UV. This guy has produced dozens upon dozens of generations of breeding monitors with consistant record size clutched WITHOUT UV for 30 plus years. That DOES NOT NOT NOT compare to 'Petco Joe' who kept a red ear alive and breathing for a week and decided to write a care sheet.
Frank Retes is an abosulte god, a pioneer in the reptile industry. Learning husbandry from him cannot be substituted by a mere book. And this is an understatement.
Turtle owner person, I'm just trying to save you the trouble, and if nothing else, teach other, less stubborn members. If you want to waste time and money on UV and tuna, go ahead. Your turtle couldnt care less about the light.
DUDE WOULD I BE WASTING MY TIME DOING THIS IF I WAS LYING? I'm trying to save you the trouble. KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid!
Just because a pioneer does something his way, it doesn't means EVERYONE should follow that. There is a famous venomous keeper, Karel Fortyn, in Ontario that is considered as a pioneer of venomous snake-keeping. Many of his techniques were developed back in the olden days and many of them we would damn him him for. But you know what? He is doing something right, but back then they did not have a lot of options in regard to keeping herptiles. The problem is that we can prevent things from going to hell and chaos. So just because someone kept their herptiles a certain way, it doesn't means you have to follow them to the letter.
Now Frank Retes is a well-known man with a lot of experience, except he focus in the area of monitors and snakes. I keep snakes whenever I can, but does that make me an expert with frogs or turtles? No, not really. Have I taken care of them in the past? Yes, but it is not my speciality area. I know a lot of people who has keep turtles since the 60s, which is probably longer than you have been on this planet, so while I cannot comment on their enclosure or diet, I can comment on some of the health problems resulting from improper husbandry.
Like I said, no two taxa of reptiles are the same. Turtles are different than snakes, snakes are different than lizards, lizards are different than crocodiles. Even among the species themselves, you cannot pull a hard and fast rule on them.
Now Frank Retes is a well-known man with a lot of experience, except he focus in the area of monitors and snakes. I keep snakes whenever I can, but does that make me an expert with frogs or turtles? No, not really. Have I taken care of them in the past? Yes, but it is not my speciality area. I know a lot of people who has keep turtles since the 60s, which is probably longer than you have been on this planet, so while I cannot comment on their enclosure or diet, I can comment on some of the health problems resulting from improper husbandry.
Like I said, no two taxa of reptiles are the same. Turtles are different than snakes, snakes are different than lizards, lizards are different than crocodiles. Even among the species themselves, you cannot pull a hard and fast rule on them.
