Ilovebrittani;4986388; said:
Good thing for that 10 gallons of "cycled" water! Your fish wouldn't have made it otherwise!
transporting established tank help please
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Good thing for that 10 gallons of "cycled" water! Your fish wouldn't have made it otherwise!
Good thing for that 10 gallons of "cycled" water! Your fish wouldn't have made it otherwise!
After all that discussion previously, you still have no idea of what I was talking about do you? It has nothing to do with cycled water and everything to do with changes in chemistry level. If the OPs tank was chemically similar to his tap water, it won't be a big deal...
Some of the arguments in this thread are terrifying. It's like saying that it's a good idea to drive at 50 over, with no seatbelt and after drinking a couple beers because you did it and didn't die.
If doing 99% water changes is a good idea with no issues for the fish, then why doesn't everyone do them? No one would ever have issues with nitrate ever again...
SimonL;4986795; said:After all that discussion previously, you still have no idea of what I was talking about do you? It has nothing to do with cycled water and everything to do with changes in chemistry level. If the OPs tank was chemically similar to his tap water, it won't be a big deal...
Some of the arguments in this thread are terrifying. It's like saying that it's a good idea to drive at 50 over, with no seatbelt and after drinking a couple beers because you did it and didn't die.
If doing 99% water changes is a good idea with no issues for the fish, then why doesn't everyone do them? No one would ever have issues with nitrate ever again...
I have one question for you, if the op set his tank up with 100% new water (except whats in the filters), and acclimates his fish, how is that any different than you acclimating fish that have been shipped, that you have done so many thousands of times.
Finally, yes you can change 99% of your water as long as your bio media is established! Bacterial lives on surfaces, not in the water.
I'm not saying your method is wrong, but its not the only way just because you've been doing if for 10 yrs.
Remember the time when the earth was flat and the sun revolved around earth?
SimonL;4986795; said:After all that discussion previously, you still have no idea of what I was talking about do you? It has nothing to do with cycled water and everything to do with changes in chemistry level. If the OPs tank was chemically similar to his tap water, it won't be a big deal...
Some of the arguments in this thread are terrifying. It's like saying that it's a good idea to drive at 50 over, with no seatbelt and after drinking a couple beers because you did it and didn't die.
If doing 99% water changes is a good idea with no issues for the fish, then why doesn't everyone do them? No one would ever have issues with nitrate ever again...
I'm bustin your balls because you act like you can't acclimate a fish without the majority of the original water the fish was in. The bad thing is there has not been much more discussion in this thread other than you and I, and since you have a higher post count, you WIN! HAHA
Nothing is different. Fish get really stressed, sick and die all the time during shipping and acclimation.I have one question for you, if the op set his tank up with 100% new water (except whats in the filters), and acclimates his fish, how is that any different than you acclimating fish that have been shipped, that you have done so many thousands of times.
Then why isn't it the suggested advice on this or any other fish forum? In aquarium care books?Finally, yes you can change 99% of your water as long as your bio media is established! Bacterial lives on surfaces, not in the water.
Remember the time when the earth was flat and the sun revolved around earth?
Is this you trying to be clever to make up for your total lack of ability to debate in a meaningful and intelligent fashion?
SimonL;4986825; said:Nothing is different. Fish get really stressed, sick and die all the time during shipping and acclimation.
Then why isn't it the suggested advice on this or any other fish forum? In aquarium care books?
DO you buy a filter based upon the rating on the box even though it differs from your beliefs due to the stock in your tank? Do you think we live in a perfect world? I'm sure all people on here care for their fish differently, some do 25% daily water changes, some do 25% monthly waterchanges, some do 50% bi weekly water changes. You can change all the water if you want as long as your media is established. I just set up a 20L (granted this isn't a very MFK tank size) using a filter that had been set up for about a year and my treated water and put fish in right away w perfect numbers, clear water and healthy fish. I changed out about 70% from my 240 last night. FIsh are fine, water is clear and all is well. Maybe you shuold try it sometime if you don't believe me.
Wrong, I win because my arguments are supported by evidence, whereas you have yet to produce any actual backing for your arguments. Notice, if you glance back on the previous pages, that you sidestep or ignore most the direct questions I ask you?I'm bustin your balls because you act like you can't acclimate a fish without the majority of the original water the fish was in. The bad thing is there has not been much more discussion in this thread other than you and I, and since you have a higher post count, you WIN! HAHA
You are still failing to respond to my direct questions. Why isn't it the standard advice if it's a totally harmless thing?
SimonL;4986839; said:Wrong, I win because my arguments are supported by evidence, whereas you have yet to produce any actual backing for your arguments. Notice, if you glance back on the previous pages, that you sidestep or ignore most the direct questions I ask you?
You want me to prove to you that water chemistry changes during the rainy/flood season of the Amazon. Open a science book from middle school and find your proof. And the only evidence you have provided is that you've been doing it that way for 10 yrs.
SimonL;4986839; said:You are still failing to respond to my direct questions. Why isn't it the standard advice if it's a totally harmless thing?
It's not always recommended becuase it is not always needed. When setting up an aquarium it can be done and many people do it that way. Many people use established media from another tank to set up a new or larger tank.
It is your evidence, the burden of proving it is on you. If it's in a middle school textbook, you should be able to easily find it online and give me a link.You want me to prove to you that water chemistry changes during the rainy/flood season of the Amazon. Open a science book from middle school and find your proof.
See, if I tell you I have a million gallon fish tank, and you say you don't believe me...is it up to you to prove I don't?
And you're still not answering my question...why isn't it common advice then?
It's not always recommended becuase it is not always needed. When setting up an aquarium it can be done and many people do it that way. Many people use established media from another tank to set up a new or larger tank.
Really? So you're saying that it's not "needed"? Why not, it would be fantastically beneficial for your fish. Fish grow much better in water with virtually no No3
