Trials & Tribulations

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Cichlidgeek

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The Trials and Tribulations of a Cichla Keeper
Message boards are suppose to be fun, interactive places for different people to share experiences and learn from other people's successes and failures. All too often, only the successes are reported, and sometimes this gives people the wrong impression that certain hobbyists are "perfect" or can "do no wrong" or are some type of "Cichla God." Nonsense!!
Recently, I have jumped head first back into the Cichla game after a six-month hiatus...the first-ever rest from Cichla since I started keeping them in 1995, and when C. temensis were unheard of and C. ocellaris were rare. Is that old school enough for you? :D
I have been fortunate, and a little eccentric for buying so many Cichla these past few months. And you all have seen my various threads, some of which show some pretty damn nice Cichla if I do say so myself :D
However, it would be unfair for me to sit behind a keyboard and hide my failures. So, this thread is dedicated to just a few of my many, but most recent "DOHS!" (in a Homer Simpson voice).

Female Cichla orinocensis
About a month ago, or maybe a little more now, I purchased a big female orino from a well-knowm, and now rather infamous, member here. The fish was beat up badly and the trip home did her no good. She suffered a long and painful recovery, but a few weeks later she was back in action and seemingly doing well.
All of her dead skin, scales, and fins had fallen off and were starting to regrow. She was eating like a champ, too!! "I am in the clear," I thought--but I was wrong. Today she took a major turn for the worse. She is bloated so badly that her eyes are popping out of her head and her gills are constantly flared. From past experience this form of "bloat" is incurable and the fish is essentially rotting from the inside out now. Very sad, but I did know better from previous experiences with this same issue. I only treated her severe bacterial wounds from the outside, and not the inside. I was lazy and her seemingly inevitable death was avoidable. I am to fault for this...DOH!!!

Wild Peruvian C. monoculus
A few weeks ago I bought a dozen baby wild Peruvian C. monoculus...I just couldn't resist! Well, all but six are dead now. Why you may be asking? Because I decided to pick up five C. temensis that were just slightly larger. I put the tems with the monocs...and the rest is history! The tems out compete the monocs at every turn and are just too aggressive to be housed with them at such a small size. I have raised hundreds, literally, of each species. I did know better, but I decided to take the lazy route...DOH!!!

Proven Pair of C. monoculus
Ok, this one's a real kick in the butt. Just a few days ago I met up with a awesome member here and bought a pair of proven breeder monocs and a big tem from him. All was going ok until we finally met up. Upon transfering the garbage bag with the monocs from his container to my cooler part of the bottom seam blew and the fish, along with about two or three gallons of water exploded down the front of me. "Holy Shibby!!" was of course my first response. I now have a proven pair of monocs flopping around a Home Depot parking lot. Lovely :irked:
I picked up the female inside of three seconds and tossed her into the tote, which had some water in it....the water than ran down the front of me that is!! The male continued to evade me, flopping around on the ground violently. We get them settled and all seems good. The drive home is happily uneventful and when I acclimate them to their new home I can see some minor fin damage, some scrapes and scratches, and the eyes appear a little cloudy.
Today they are as good as dead. Why? Because the asphalt and/or sand/gravel/etc... has abraded one eye on each the male and the female. I did not treat them as a precaution to such trauma, rather I figured they were good to go. They are not eating and are looking absolutely awful, and will most likely be dead in a few days...DOH!!!

Well, I hope that my rant has shed a little bit of light on my life as a dedicated Cichla keeper. Enjoy.
--Brian Scott

NOTE---Let it be known, and let me tell you first hand, that I have been keeping Cichla for 14 years. Recently I have seen some people tell others that they were "originals" and "keeping Cichla when others were still keeping goldfish" and blah, blah, blah (talk is cheap)....well I can assure those people that I was keeping Cichla before they even knew what a Cichla was :D
 
Hey I have a DOH! story for you as well....

When I got the Sm. Orino from James I wanted to see if it would do well in my big tank......it ended up in my Mono's mouth......DOH!.... lucky he spat it out and I was able to rescue it. Now it's back to 100%......;)

As I've always said, "With all the drama, at the end of the day its all about fish"....

Haters will always excist wether it's in the fish boards or anywehere else in life. For some it sucks to always finish 2nd....
 
i also can relate to this conversation.... i hope you guys dont mind..

well last week... i had noticed my prized ORINO acting strange... fast swimming/darting and banging into the walls of his enclosure (6x2x2) he was eating fine with no problems... the same day i seen his/her behavior get worse.. so i started to observe more... first i was thinkn bloat, but also can be an internal parasite:(... the more i observed, i was able to diagnosed it to be an internal parasite... so i was debating on quarantining or dosing my whole tank... thoughts that were going through my head were.. should i risk harming my biological by dosing the tank or play it safe and pull him out... while i was debating he started to dart really fast and banged himself so hard it knocked him uncontious for a good 3 seconds, thats when i had made up my mind to quarantine...:( let me tell you him/her did not like that @ all because it was a 10 gallon container with no room to move, so it started to jump and hurt itself more!!:(
all i had was a styro foam container that could easily hold a good 15-20 gallons of water which is better for him/her to atleast swim around... so once again my orino was transferred:(... when placed in the styro, i added parasite clear to water and food (jungle labs..) which i hear is a good med... but to be honest i hate to give meds to cichla because they tend to choke very easily.. but i had to do what i had to do!!!:( which that was my last resort of getting him/her better faster... i guess you can say i was impatient..LOL, so i thought everything was better trough the night because i didnt hear any bangings like when he was in the tank or the 10gal container... so the next morning i realize it was to good to be true.. because he was DEAD:cry:... now i cant blame the meds for this fatality... i blame the styro container and myself for not thinking correctly because it is used as an insulator for alot of things even home aquaria:(... so i believe i possibly cooked him because my water was to HOTT!! this is my DOH story!!!:cry: now you know when you really care about something u just try to make it work as fast as possible without even thinking about consequences and possiblities..:cry::cry::cry:

anyways LESSONED LEARNED...:(
 
when i first started keeping cichla i thought i could mix a 4" tem with my 8" ocells, lasted 10secs, expensive lesson learnt!
 
damn brian.. sorry t4o hear about that... i 4know .3wha
t monocs and tem you are talking about. i feel for ya bro
 
Great thread Brian. I was just thinking we don't hear enough about the failure's of this unforgiving hobby of keeping Cichla. I wish more people would share the horror story's. In my time of Cichla keeping I have only lost two small cichla but it hurt just as much as a big one. Brian sorry about your loss. And everyone else's as well.

I too have a close call I will say it was "good googly moogly" Flanders voice. I came home from work the other day completely whipped and tired. I was sick as a dog and didn't have much energy. I walk into the front door to a completely cloudy tank. I am not sure how it happened but the heater on my big tank was turned up to the max. When i touched the glass on the 240g it was let's say way past warm. Luckly I didn't loose any of beauty's but it was a very close call. This lesson taught me to pay attention to the little thing's or else I amy loose everything I have worked so hard to obtain. Si I am not grabbing anymore Cichla or anything else until i replace all of my old equipment. I have a few items for as long as i have been in the hobby (17yrs) of abused equipment I think it's time. Don't you?

I myself am a noob by standards of years of keeping Cichla. I have been keeping Cichlids for 17yrs. But only keeping Cichla for a year and 7 months. I will say this I feel I am the MVP of this year for all that I have done in such a short period of time and the dedication and love I have exibited here on this site. (1yr 7m) Oh yea and the large amount of $$$ I have put into my love for the Cichla! 5 x 100g-350g tanks 16 Cichla all since I landed in the siccness and a girlfriend who thinks I am out of my mind. Thanks to all of you!
 
We're both out of our minds, Mike. :D I think most of us regulars of the Cichla forum are.


So many times I get caught up in the fish...just enjoying them and looking for new fish that I forget to pay attention to the important things. I'm not a very patient person. After losing the first bunch of Cichla I tried, I thought I would never lose another, but I've since lost a little azul, 4" mono and 7" ocel.

It's nice to hear all these stories. Well, not nice, but it's good to share mistakes so everyone can learn from others' mistakes instead of hearing everyone say that they're a Cichla god.
 
Mind if I chime in?The other day I received my latest fish order from TUIC and in it was my little Pinima,I placed it in a ten gallon tank to get to a size where it wouldnt be eaten by some of my other fish and I come home to find that my nandus nandus ate it.I didnt think that the nandus was big enough to swallow it.:irked:
 
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