U.S. closes door to four snake species

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the main problem isn't really that joe cant keep one but bill knows how and could keep one. it is more an issue of the government doesn't want to stop striping our freedoms till they have the sole dictating power over us. just like with guns. they don't want us to have automatic weapons, silencers ect...i will own all of the above. you have to get permits for them, but i am a collector. alot of people say "i agree we don't need to have those", but those same people will have a semi-auto .22 in there house they use for squirrels. not much diff between them. you can shoot a semi auto almost as fast, but you think they are just fine. well let me tell you something you give the government one hand and they reach out to shake on it, all the while they have a knife in the other to slit your throat. it is all just a way to slowly make it so we can't do anything without them knowing and then thinking if we should be able to do it. another example is elephants. all kinds of people say "ya they are endangered you can't kill them" i will go kill an elephant and use it to feed needing people in a place were there are to many elephants. now i can't bring any part of it back to the us since the government is stupid but there are still those people that will hate me for killing a "majestic animal".

having said that...now think back a long time ago before our ancestors came here, there was a king. we left the king for the same reasons. we like to be incharge of ourselves. we still need some regulation since most people are idiots, but generally on our own. the government has the king idea back in their heads and they are shooting for it. don't give them that power we need to do something while we still can. before it gets to the point of using our guns to defend the rights giving to us by taking the government down to rebuild all over again. maybe that is the problem we just need to refresh the program.
 
Goodness. If used as buffer, it would be a good solution, but clearly, it isn't a buffer. Why are there so many short term views in this thread, obviously a solution such as this will cause illegal breeding. As a hypothetical, unrelated question. Do we deal with the problem first, and address its implications, or do we let it get progressively worse? :nilly:
 
i have to say that i support this 150%. some things are just not meant to kept in captivity and i think a 20+ foot snake qualifies.

now dont get me wrong i am a die hard reptile lover. i own 2 big iguanas. but i think that something does need to be done to restrict what people can buy.

i mean come on there are somethings that are not meant to be in captivity, by average people, zoo's and other institutions are a different matter. large snakes 15+ feet long, large crocs, super large monitors(croc monitors as an example).


so i see this as a possitive move. i knwo people will say that its not fair and blady blah blah. tough **** and deal with it. only takes one person to mess it up and its already happened.
 
Mike D said:
i have to say that i support this 150%. some things are just not meant to kept in captivity and i think a 20+ foot snake qualifies.

now dont get me wrong i am a die hard reptile lover. i own 2 big iguanas. but i think that something does need to be done to restrict what people can buy.

i mean come on there are somethings that are not meant to be in captivity, by average people, zoo's and other institutions are a different matter. large snakes 15+ feet long, large crocs, super large monitors(croc monitors as an example).


so i see this as a possitive move. i knwo people will say that its not fair and blady blah blah. tough **** and deal with it. only takes one person to mess it up and its already happened.
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Way to be a hypocrite: Green iguanas get large and can be aggressive, and they're often acquired as little hatchlings for next to nothing largely by uniformed keepers and are dumped by many of those keepers after they get too big for them to handle. Introduced green iguanas that were previously kept as pets are running rampant in parts of southern Florida & Hawaii and have done far more damage than these large snakes because they compete with native wildlife to a greater extent than those snakes.

Think before you make an attempt to sell-out a large segment of the reptile hobby; your segment could be next.
 
i would say there is big difference between a 5 foot green iguana. and a 15+foot snake that could do alot more damage. not to mention wreak havoc on the local wildlife, that your snake will eat, disturbing the whole ecosystem. what is my iguana going to do. eat a leaf and take a dump on someones porch? come on man. not even the same thing. and i see alot more mean snakes than i do iguanas. and at least when i feed my iguana i dont need to make sure i have an extra body next to me incase my snake decides to make me lunch. large snakes should at least require a permit to have. i dont care how much of an incovience it might cause. and the permit should be hard to get and even easier to loose.


if they want to take it as far as to ban iguanas. then let them. you know what it might be a good thing and i would support it 100%. i think it is pathetic that us a human beings take hundreds of thousands of reptiles, amphibions and other wildlife out of there native habitats every year just to stick in a cage and look at all of the time.


all of my reptiles come to me as rescues. i have bought very few reptiles my rhino iguana being one of them.


thats my opinion on the whole issue. i know im pissing in the wind talking to a reptile keeping forum about this but oh well. and this is coming from someone who has kept all sorts or reptile and amphibs for over 16 years.
 
Oh joy, another hypocrite that lacks any knowledge of something he opened his mouth on. I should be supprised but im not.

Ignorance is way to rampant.

The snakes are simply filling a void created by the destruction of the panther. Your ig on the other hand would be competing against wildlife.

Again the burms are from a road side zoo. But thats an fact that those that support the ban ignore.

But thats ok. Ignorance is bliss.

This is strictly a state issue not an issue for the lacy act.
 
As a snake keeper and mod/admin on redtailboas.com this was a hard blow to handle because this is just opening the door to ban the rest of the "Big 9" as they call them, I dont keep burms rocks or condas but were all family and its a blow to all of us..... what sucks about this is yes you banned people from trading large constrictors but WTF did you do about the snakes already in the everglades hmmm nothing.
 
I am very open to discuss this if anyone has any questions
 
mswift said:
As a snake keeper and mod/admin on redtailboas.com this was a hard blow to handle because this is just opening the door to ban the rest of the "Big 9" as they call them, I dont keep burms rocks or condas but were all family and its a blow to all of us..... what sucks about this is yes you banned people from trading large constrictors but WTF did you do about the snakes already in the everglades hmmm nothing.
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Exactly. The problem of those snakes getting to Florida has already been handled as it is, so why the need for the ban other than sheer ignorance and caving to the lobbyists who want nothing more than to eliminate all pets and domestic animals.
 
Mike D said:
i would say there is big difference between a 5 foot green iguana. and a 15+foot snake that could do alot more damage. not to mention wreak havoc on the local wildlife, that your snake will eat, disturbing the whole ecosystem. what is my iguana going to do. eat a leaf and take a dump on someones porch? come on man. not even the same thing. and i see alot more mean snakes than i do iguanas. and at least when i feed my iguana i dont need to make sure i have an extra body next to me incase my snake decides to make me lunch. large snakes should at least require a permit to have. i dont care how much of an incovience it might cause. and the permit should be hard to get and even easier to loose.


if they want to take it as far as to ban iguanas. then let them. you know what it might be a good thing and i would support it 100%. i think it is pathetic that us a human beings take hundreds of thousands of reptiles, amphibions and other wildlife out of there native habitats every year just to stick in a cage and look at all of the time.


all of my reptiles come to me as rescues. i have bought very few reptiles my rhino iguana being one of them.


thats my opinion on the whole issue. i know im pissing in the wind talking to a reptile keeping forum about this but oh well. and this is coming from someone who has kept all sorts or reptile and amphibs for over 16 years.
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Green Iguana's are one of the most invasive species out there and are a huge issue in South Florida and on islands in the region, and causes millions of dollars in damage a year as it strips areas of their vegetation putting naive life at risks. They are also responsible for more injuries and attacks on Humans that any other species of reptile kept, to include the big snakes. Please next time, at least attempt to know of which you speak.
 
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