U.S. closes door to four snake species

[snakefin]

There are idiots in this thread who think that they're way of keeping pets, in the case of this forum, fish such as tetras are the only way to go. The only rule regarding which species should be or should not be kept should be on a contextual basis of the owner being able to keep them. Obviously, this doesn't work out in reality; its just too ruddy inconvenient.

Not to offend the rest of you here, but I can't help but think that human nature is the reason why this stupid distress against serpents began in the first place, and additionally, the focus of this many many fools. It makes me incensed.

 

[rottbo]

I would love to own a lavender retic but wife won't let it I don't believe that large constrictors should be banned I just believe that people should be screened before they can purchase most people think they can handle them forever (think being the keyword)


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[TheNewSeverum]

I would love to own a lavender retic but wife won't let it I don't believe that large constrictors should be banned I just believe that people should be screened before they can purchase most people think they can handle them forever (think being the keyword)

How would screening people effect anything? A five year old could lie saying they are going to properly house a large reptile. Extensive background knowledge, and many LOGGED hours working with said reptiles would make more sense. Considering, those people, clearly know what they are doing and will know how to properly take care of them.

 

[pumpmykix]

I'm not sure if anyone else has seen the show Snake Wranglers, but in one episode they looked at the effects of a cold winter and discovered that it wiped out most of the larger snakes. They couldn't thermoregulate and died. The smaller ones made it, but they also pointed out that the smaller pythons have predators to worry about. Gators, large birds, kingsnakes, snapping turtles, and large predatory fish.

Even if they can make it in the Everglades long term, why make it illegal in the northern states where they wont survive? Why not just ban Florida from owning?

I also don't know if its been stated, but the more popular strains of large constrictors is mostly the albino strains. You hardly ever see normals available anymore. Albino reptiles in the wild hardly ever survive. They are targets for predators, and the sun destroys them.

And to the people saying that large constrictors are dangerous to humans, while yes they are strong and capable of possibly killing someone, the chances are unlikely. I have personally worked with many large snakes and have not once felt like I was in a dangerous position. A vast majority of the deaths that occur with large constrictors is when the owner tries to handle them while under the influence of either alcohol or drugs, and that's a fact.

Guess its time to stock up before the ban gets even worse...


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[Theseabean]

You said "who would want to keep a 4'
This was meant to be read as that's what most people say when they see my catfish and hear how big they get.
Bans of any type do nothing to solve any problem! all bans do is make criminals out of good hard working americans !! Stupid people will always be stupid until they are hit in the pocketbook. Enforce the laws already in place. first it's these snakes next any large lizard. Then the monster fish we all keep.
we do not Need ANY MORE LAWS!
The government should have no say in anyones private collection of any species or thing. Laws already exist should that collection become a threat to the health or welfare of the community. if those laws were enforced there is no need for any further encroachment on americans liberties.
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I dont understand why you're saying that bans on anything don't solve any problem. Bans of this kind do NOT make criminals out of hardworking people, or am I misunderstanding your meaning here. I believe that bans do contribute to the solution of a broad problem by prohibiting more stupid people from buying these potentially massive animals and then releasing them at their whim. The government needs to have a say in peoples private collections because of the fact that a number of stupid people ruin it for the rest of us, and that is a fact of life we have to live with, and I am ok with that because I know that it is in my and my communities best interest. For instance the everglades NEED to be protected from species like the burmese python, the mayan cichlid, and the snakehead as a vital source of water, tourism, and land for native species and if the government has to intervene and tell me what I can and cannot keep, Im ok with it.

 

[Theseabean]

I'm not sure if anyone else has seen the show Snake Wranglers, but in one episode they looked at the effects of a cold winter and discovered that it wiped out most of the larger snakes. They couldn't thermoregulate and died. The smaller ones made it, but they also pointed out that the smaller pythons have predators to worry about. Gators, large birds, kingsnakes, snapping turtles, and large predatory fish.

Even if they can make it in the Everglades long term, why make it illegal in the northern states where they wont survive? Why not just ban Florida from owning?

I also don't know if its been stated, but the more popular strains of large constrictors is mostly the albino strains. You hardly ever see normals available anymore. Albino reptiles in the wild hardly ever survive. They are targets for predators, and the sun destroys them.

And to the people saying that large constrictors are dangerous to humans, while yes they are strong and capable of possibly killing someone, the chances are unlikely. I have personally worked with many large snakes and have not once felt like I was in a dangerous position. A vast majority of the deaths that occur with large constrictors is when the owner tries to handle them while under the influence of either alcohol or drugs, and that's a fact.

Guess its time to stock up before the ban gets even worse...


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This makes sense! I personally travel weekly in the glades and after our big frost last year a lot of them died, but they are re-appearing by the counts of FWC, which warrants regulation. If the freeze couldn't kill them, the ban was the next viable step. I do not understand, however, why northern states ban them?

 

[Wiggles92]

I dont understand why you're saying that bans on anything don't solve any problem. Bans of this kind do NOT make criminals out of hardworking people, or am I misunderstanding your meaning here. I believe that bans do contribute to the solution of a broad problem by prohibiting more stupid people from buying these potentially massive animals and then releasing them at their whim. The government needs to have a say in peoples private collections because of the fact that a number of stupid people ruin it for the rest of us, and that is a fact of life we have to live with, and I am ok with that because I know that it is in my and my communities best interest. For instance the everglades NEED to be protected from species like the burmese python, the mayan cichlid, and the snakehead as a vital source of water, tourism, and land for native species and if the government has to intervene and tell me what I can and cannot keep, Im ok with it.

The main flaw with your argument is the fact that these snakes are already severely restricted in Florida, and one simply can't legally go out and buy one there. It takes a permit to own these snakes there, and they must be microchipped; releasing them carries a heavy fine and jail time, and it's illegal to breed them without an additional permit. The problem regarding people releasing them in Florida is solved therefore this ban is grossly unnecessary.

It really amazes me as to how many people don't even take the time to realize that Florida already solved their release problem...

 

[Theseabean]

The main flaw with your argument is the fact that these snakes are already severely restricted in Florida, and one simply can't legally go out and buy one there. It takes a permit to own these snakes there, and they must be microchipped. Problem solved, end of story.

Legally, you're correct, one does need a permit and a microchip. I guarantee though that many many MANY people get and breed them and then continue to sell them out of places like Kendall and Homestead to the uneducated people who don't realize how massive they grow. You're argument would be perfect in a world where people bought and sold animals by the book.

 

[Wiggles92]

Legally, you're correct, one does need a permit and a microchip. I guarantee though that many many MANY people get and breed them and then continue to sell them out of places like Kendall and Homestead to the uneducated people who don't realize how massive they grow. You're argument would be perfect in a world where people bought and sold animals by the book.

By that logic, this other ban is not going to work as well yet it's still going to punish those of us who know what we're doing by severely limiting the gene pool and availability of these snakes.

 

[snot]

I dont understand why you're saying that bans on anything don't solve any problem. Bans of this kind do NOT make criminals out of hardworking people, or am I misunderstanding your meaning here. I believe that bans do contribute to the solution of a broad problem by prohibiting more stupid people from buying these potentially massive animals and then releasing them at their whim. The government needs to have a say in peoples private collections because of the fact that a number of stupid people ruin it for the rest of us, and that is a fact of life we have to live with, and I am ok with that because I know that it is in my and my communities best interest. For instance the everglades NEED to be protected from species like the burmese python, the mayan cichlid, and the snakehead as a vital source of water, tourism, and land for native species and if the government has to intervene and tell me what I can and cannot keep, Im ok with it.

They do not work period! the idiots that release animals into the wild are already breaking the law they are criminals and do not care what the law says. Why is this so hard to understand.?!?! So now if I a responsible owner of a burmese python that I've owned 10 years choses to move or am transferred to another state I must either break the law by moving with my snake or have my personal pet that I have kept responsibly to sleep. As in I choose to be a criminal or my snake dies because you support a ban based on ignorance that will not change a damn thing!!! This once again is very simple the laws need to be enforced that already exist with very heave fines. The large facility that housed most off the burmese pythons that was destroyed by a hurricane needs to be on the hook for the round up of the escaped animals the exotic stores that sell large snakes need to assist in Both in funding and hunting the remaining snakes. which if you watch python hunters those three already are doing. Bans will never solve anything!

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