*UFC 112 - Silva vs. Maia - Penn vs. Edgar*

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Silva vs Maia...


I put a lot of the blame on the bookers for this fight.

It was well known going into the fight that Maia's only chance at a victory would be by using his jiu-jitsu. How well do you expect an Anderson Silva fight to go when his opponent's only real chance at winning is by being on the ground? Maia would not step up and fight. That is not Silva's fault. Silva does what he wants when he wants in a fight. He did what he had to do to win the first three rounds so it was impossible for Maia to win by decision. Once he accomplished that, the rest of the fight was up to Maia. Genius. People fail to realize how smart Silva is. We saw more out of Maia the final 2 minutes of the fight than we did the first 23, and that was only because Silva left him no choice.

I'm not saying he didn't go way too far with the clowning and mockery (he did, and I didn't like it one bit after the first three minutes of it), but people are acting like Silva owes them something... It was supposed to be a fight not the "Demian Maia Destruction Show." Silva gave Maia a chance, and Maia didn't take it until it was too late. Oh well.

He is the best fighter in the world, and I think he needs to be put up against fighters who are, at the very least, well rounded. That's when we'll see the real Anderson Silva.

 

[SumoNinja]

Brazil is pretty pissed with silva. He said some racist remarks to Maia during the fight and made the UFC look like a bad TNA event to newcomers in a brand new environment.

For those that don't know BJ penn's trainer is now stating that he had a sinus infection etc before the fight.

Making this his 6th excused loss so technically baby J is undefeated.
Jens Pulver= Bad decision
GSP1 = Bad decision
GSP = Greased and steroids (Steroids being a false accusation)
Sean sherk= Injury / steroids
Matt Hughes (When he got pounded to jelly after gassing) was a result of poor Baby J suffering an injury
And now we got Frankie Edgar where they claim a bad decision AND ! a terrible sinus infection. Anyone else starting to see a pattern here ?

to my knowledge, I haven't seen a reliable source stating exactly what Anderson actually said. If you guys are going to bash him for being racist, dont' just say what you heard or believe it without knowing for sure. What I did see was that he was saying to Maia "c'mon, hit me rich boy" or something along those lines. in Brazil that is offensive because there is a seperation of poor people and rich people. the poor see the rich as spoiled and was given everything to them on a silver platter and the poor grow up on the tuff streets and are real men. that's what I read and I'll post the link when I find it.

with that said, I am a huge Anderson fan but what he did last saturday was uncalled for, unprofessional and made the sport look bad. I can understand showboating, and I dont' mind it much as long as it's not over the top, but when you are taunting and mocking a fighter the way he did, I felt embarrassed for him. I am baffled by what he did, I simply do not understand what was going thru his mind. He seems to be so much better than the competition that it seems he doesn't even feel threatened so he just messes around. I agree with comments Dana made at the post fight press conference.

and about bj, just to let you know, he didn't lose to Sean Sherk, he won by tko. and if it's his trainer saying he had sinus infection before the edgar fight, that's not the same as bj saying it. from what I know, the only time bj made an excuse was when he felt gsp greased. but he accepted that he got his butt kicked and stated that in the kenny fight countdown show. i never heard him make the excuse that all the other fights were bad decisions. if you claim that, please provide source otherwise you're just fighter bashing or trolling. I wouldnt' make statements like that if I wasn't prepared to provide a reliable source quoting him.

Silva vs Maia...


I put a lot of the blame on the bookers for this fight.

It was well known going into the fight that Maia's only chance at a victory would be by using his jiu-jitsu. How well do you expect an Anderson Silva fight to go when his opponent's only real chance at winning is by being on the ground? Maia would not step up and fight. That is not Silva's fault. Silva does what he wants when he wants in a fight. He did what he had to do to win the first three rounds so it was impossible for Maia to win by decision. Once he accomplished that, the rest of the fight was up to Maia. Genius. People fail to realize how smart Silva is. We saw more out of Maia the final 2 minutes of the fight than we did the first 23, and that was only because Silva left him no choice.

I'm not saying he didn't go way too far with the clowning and mockery (he did, and I didn't like it one bit after the first three minutes of it), but people are acting like Silva owes them something... It was supposed to be a fight not the "Demian Maia Destruction Show." Silva gave Maia a chance, and Maia didn't take it until it was too late. Oh well.

He is the best fighter in the world, and I think he needs to be put up against fighters who are, at the very least, well rounded. That's when we'll see the real Anderson Silva.

I disagree with you blaming the UFC for anderson's actions. I dont' see how you can say it's their fault at all really. the division is weak in my opinion. who else did you expect them to match him up with? Maia was the only true opponent worthy. Chael sonnen didn't have enough time to recover to fight after the Nate fight, Vitor pulled out due to injury. so if you dont' like the anderson/damien matchup, who do you suggest fight him? or what would you have done?

it's bs that anderson acted the way he did. if you are on another level compared to the rest of the division, prove it by doing what you did to Forrest. destroy all comers, let your fist show that you are the best 185 buy in the world. that's why fedor is my #1 fighter. fedor and Gomi but Gomi is passed his prime. but fedor would never do what anderson did. i'm still an anderson fan, but i had his back after the cote and leites fight, but i can't have his back for what he did last saturday. i felt he should've stopped maia, i felt he could have done it anytime he wanted to after the second round.

him saying maia disrespected him was bs. maia didn't say anything to disrespect him. i feel he was just trying to make an excuse for his actions.

 

[SumoNinja]

I disagree with what everyone is saying about bj. i felt he came in like he typically does. he was stalking frankie all night, it's just that frankie was too fast. he was constantly moving side to side, in and out, going for take downs and bj couldn't catch him. It's as simple as that. He didnt' brawl or try to go toe to toe with bj, he came in to use his speed and footwork to box with bj and pick his shots which he executed perfectly and he has the gas tank to do it 5 rounds.

BUT, me and 4 other people watched it and felt bj won. I saw bj's jab landing a lot and I felt he had the cleaner, more damaging punches landing. all frankie did was succeed 2 take downs which bj got up right away and he only landed rabbit punches. nothing severe, nothing damaging, nothing that ever put bj in any trouble. I felt round 5 was the only round frankie decisively won by which bj had slowed down his pace considerably. round 1-2 i scored for bj. 3 i felt bj won but was close as with round 4 but i gave it to frankie. i'll have to rewatch it, i have it dvr'd but I felt bj won.

 

[tcarswell]

to my knowledge, I haven't seen a reliable source stating exactly what Anderson actually said. If you guys are going to bash him for being racist, dont' just say what you heard or believe it without knowing for sure. What I did see was that he was saying to Maia "c'mon, hit me rich boy" or something along those lines. in Brazil that is offensive because there is a seperation of poor people and rich people. the poor see the rich as spoiled and was given everything to them on a silver platter and the poor grow up on the tuff streets and are real men. that's what I read and I'll post the link when I find it.

with that said, I am a huge Anderson fan but what he did last saturday was uncalled for, unprofessional and made the sport look bad. I can understand showboating, and I dont' mind it much as long as it's not over the top, but when you are taunting and mocking a fighter the way he did, I felt embarrassed for him. I am baffled by what he did, I simply do not understand what was going thru his mind. He seems to be so much better than the competition that it seems he doesn't even feel threatened so he just messes around. I agree with comments Dana made at the post fight press conference.

and about bj, just to let you know, he didn't lose to Sean Sherk, he won by tko. and if it's his trainer saying he had sinus infection before the edgar fight, that's not the same as bj saying it. from what I know, the only time bj made an excuse was when he felt gsp greased. but he accepted that he got his butt kicked and stated that in the kenny fight countdown show. i never heard him make the excuse that all the other fights were bad decisions. if you claim that, please provide source otherwise you're just fighter bashing or trolling. I wouldnt' make statements like that if I wasn't prepared to provide a reliable source quoting him.



I disagree with you blaming the UFC for anderson's actions. I dont' see how you can say it's their fault at all really. the division is weak in my opinion. who else did you expect them to match him up with? Maia was the only true opponent worthy. Chael sonnen didn't have enough time to recover to fight after the Nate fight, Vitor pulled out due to injury. so if you dont' like the anderson/damien matchup, who do you suggest fight him? or what would you have done?

it's bs that anderson acted the way he did. if you are on another level compared to the rest of the division, prove it by doing what you did to Forrest. destroy all comers, let your fist show that you are the best 185 buy in the world. that's why fedor is my #1 fighter. fedor and Gomi but Gomi is passed his prime. but fedor would never do what anderson did. i'm still an anderson fan, but i had his back after the cote and leites fight, but i can't have his back for what he did last saturday. i felt he should've stopped maia, i felt he could have done it anytime he wanted to after the second round.

him saying maia disrespected him was bs. maia didn't say anything to disrespect him. i feel he was just trying to make an excuse for his actions.

Here's where I read it. Given his antics I am not surprised one bit.
http://www.forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8361683

As for BJ him and or his camp always have an excuse. Meanwhile he was the one that claimed to be 100% and had a "great camp"

He was the one that posted all about his injury on his website after getting pounded by matt hughes . I follow these things closely and while I don't typically fighter bash and was a big fan of Penn especially! After his gracious loss . It seemed to be quite the unbroken record when his camp finally fired off their " He was sick " statement.

He accused GSP of steroids (completely false)

He also went onto his website ASAP after the Matt hughes pounding and posted his medical results.

He whined and complained after the first loss to GSP

So of all the excuses BJ was on the front line so far for three of six. Meanwhile him or his camp eluded to it or claimed an illness or injury or bad camp for the others.

 

[tcarswell]

I disagree with what everyone is saying about bj. i felt he came in like he typically does. he was stalking frankie all night, it's just that frankie was too fast. he was constantly moving side to side, in and out, going for take downs and bj couldn't catch him. It's as simple as that. He didnt' brawl or try to go toe to toe with bj, he came in to use his speed and footwork to box with bj and pick his shots which he executed perfectly and he has the gas tank to do it 5 rounds.

BUT, me and 4 other people watched it and felt bj won. I saw bj's jab landing a lot and I felt he had the cleaner, more damaging punches landing. all frankie did was succeed 2 take downs which bj got up right away and he only landed rabbit punches. nothing severe, nothing damaging, nothing that ever put bj in any trouble. I felt round 5 was the only round frankie decisively won by which bj had slowed down his pace considerably. round 1-2 i scored for bj. 3 i felt bj won but was close as with round 4 but i gave it to frankie. i'll have to rewatch it, i have it dvr'd but I felt bj won.

I had Edgar ahead one round but it was extremely close. It was not a 50/45 blowout as one judge suggested. The way I typically look at this scenario when its that close of a decision. If it had gone two or three more rounds who would have finally gotten the win. I had to pick Edgar for that.

As for Anderson I don't know how anyone except for his translator could defend his actions anymore. I honestly was astonished Anderson wen't and pulled that again given the scenario he should have done finished the fight like he could have to prove he didn't belong in the same cage as Damien. The whole fight I thought ... Any second now...... Never happened

 

[pURPLEcHILLIrED123]

Silva was like cat toying with a mouse… he was just so much faster then Maia. Literally just TOYING with him. Watched it with at my friends house and even my one Brazilian friend was like “WTF… finish the dude”. We was just sitting there like WTF… even the Joshua-Pacman fight was more entertaining then the co-main events… UFC 112 was a JOKE.

 

[SumoNinja]

Here's where I read it. Given his antics I am not surprised one bit.
http://www.forums.gamewinners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8361683

As for BJ him and or his camp always have an excuse. Meanwhile he was the one that claimed to be 100% and had a "great camp"

He was the one that posted all about his injury on his website after getting pounded by matt hughes . I follow these things closely and while I don't typically fighter bash and was a big fan of Penn especially! After his gracious loss . It seemed to be quite the unbroken record when his camp finally fired off their " He was sick " statement.

He accused GSP of steroids (completely false)

He also went onto his website ASAP after the Matt hughes pounding and posted his medical results.

He whined and complained after the first loss to GSP

So of all the excuses BJ was on the front line so far for three of six. Meanwhile him or his camp eluded to it or claimed an illness or injury or bad camp for the others.

that's the article I was going to post, but from a different website. it doesn't mean Anderson was racist. they were insulting words, but not racial. that's my point, we should be careful not to label it wrong. insulting and being racist is two totally different things.

and with bj, all i'm saying is to try to not over exxagerate things. you first said he made 6 excuses now your'e saying he made 3 excuses. but i get what you're saying, and i do agree. bj and especially his camp do have a tendency to cry about things when it doesnt go their way. the way some of the guys are on camera, I wonder why bj even associates with some of them. but i dont' know them personally so i can't really say.

btw, bj and frankie may be rematching sooner than later. immediately actually. although nothing is inked, it seems likely at the moment.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/13/b-j-penn-i-think-a-rematch-is-in-the-works/

 

[SumoNinja]

Silva was like cat toying with a mouse… he was just so much faster then Maia. Literally just TOYING with him. Watched it with at my friends house and even my one Brazilian friend was like “WTF… finish the dude”. We was just sitting there like WTF… even the Joshua-Pacman fight was more entertaining then the co-main events… UFC 112 was a JOKE.

a joke? its' a joke because of the main event? no it wasn't

just because anderson made an arse outta himself don't mean teh whole show was a joke.

munoz/grove was a great fight, we saw a slic armbar, an anaconda choke and a tko. the card was good up until anderson stopped fighting in the 4th and 5th round

 

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I disagree with you blaming the UFC for anderson's actions. I dont' see how you can say it's their fault at all really. the division is weak in my opinion. who else did you expect them to match him up with? Maia was the only true opponent worthy. Chael sonnen didn't have enough time to recover to fight after the Nate fight, Vitor pulled out due to injury. so if you dont' like the anderson/damien matchup, who do you suggest fight him? or what would you have done?

Point taken that their really wasn't anyone else to put him against, but the matchup was still poor.

it's bs that anderson acted the way he did. if you are on another level compared to the rest of the division, prove it by doing what you did to Forrest. destroy all comers, let your fist show that you are the best 185 buy in the world...
... i'm still an anderson fan, but i had his back after the cote and leites fight, but i can't have his back for what he did last saturday. i felt he should've stopped maia, i felt he could have done it anytime he wanted to after the second round.

There is no disagreement there, aside from the fact that Griffin was pushing the action along with Silva. He was just simply outclassed.

 

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a joke? its' a joke because of the main event? no it wasn't

just because anderson made an arse outta himself don't mean teh whole show was a joke.

munoz/grove was a great fight, we saw a slic armbar, an anaconda choke and a tko. the card was good up until anderson stopped fighting in the 4th and 5th round

Completely agree.