Umbee or Dovii

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What should I get out of these two?

My plan is to get about 10 Juvis of one of these species and keep the best 1 or 2 grow outs.

But I have a few questions to those who have owned both.

1. Which Grows at a fast rate.
2. Which one has more personality and out going
3. Which bangs on the glass more
4. Which Eats more
5. Which is mroe aggressive towards other fish

alot of help would be apprcieated. I love the look of both species but I can only choose one.
 
I don't know how helpful I can be since I have never kept a dovii, but I have many little F1 umbees and they have been the most out going fish I have ever had. like oscars. They eat a lot and are starting to push bigger fish around in the tank. I had them for 4 months and they have doubled in size. I think umbees look better full grown and that was the tie breaker for me.
 
haven't owned the two but seen lots i'd say
1.umbee
2.hard to say but i'm leanin twords umbee
3.dovii from what i've seen
4. dovii
5. depends for the most part with males its a tie
 
Do you plan on having a 200g tank or a 300g tank? Umbie requires the latter eventually. Honestly with the ease of decifering Dovii Males, I would go Dovii. Dovii you can tell males from an early age. Umbies you need to buy a few and pray there's a male hoping they don't kill each other if you don't have seperate tanks while growing out.

Also I don't know that Umbies across the board have a fast growth rate. Some say fast but I've heard slow as well. Male Dovii 1" a month until 12" then slows down up to 18" or so..
 
From what i hear the Umbees are the badder of the two, although the wolf cichlid gets bigger, the umbee is built more for a fight, thats what i have read, i am no expert, so i really couldn't tell u, but what i can tell u is, from owning a male dovi that was no more than 3 inches, he sure was an aggressive little sob, i got rid of him when he was about 6 inches..... either way good luck............
 
Regardless of the fish, you should ask yourself are you prepared for the commitment both species require. Both MUCH more water than most people ever give them, and both will live a decade or two.

The hard truth is most people are not ever really prepared to keep such species. Many of us who have kept some of these large types of fish have come to realize they aren't really aquarium fish in the normal sense. They need far more space than almost anyone is going to provide.

To answer your questions:
1. Which Grows at a fast rate.
Both will grow quickly in a good situation. Less a function of species and more one of situation.
2. Which one has more personality and out going
Neither will be outgoing on the level of many other cichlids (Midas, etc.) until they are fairly large. They can, in fact, be shy when young.
3. Which bangs on the glass more
Glass banging is a pathological reaction to extreme isolation in a stimulus poor environment. It is not a natural behavior for a non-breeding fish (just as many of the behaviors seen in zoo animals are not natural or indicative of a healthy animal). I don't believe it is a good goal to hope one's fish behaves as do some of the crazies we've all seen. It is easy to provide a healthier environment by making sure fish are kept in mixed tanks wherever possible. That said, both are highly intelligent and will come to recognize and interact with their owners as they grow older. In a fry guarding situation, both are very aggressive toward anything, and I've had dovii makes that were about as aggressive as any fish I've ever come across (of course, their size makes their displays more fearsome appearing).
4. Which Eats more
Both will have similar requirements. A large fish will only need to be fed every few days or so.
5. Which is mroe aggressive towards other fish
I have successfully maintained large male dovii with other fish several times, but in a small tank (i.e. anything under several hundred gallons) you can expect carnage. The same could be said for umbees. The key is keeping them with fish all their lives in a suitably sized system. As long as they have space to breed and feed naturally, they will coexist just fine with many species of fish. Crowded, and you will have trouble (but that is the same case with most CA cichlids; it's just that the much larger dovii and umbee exacerbates things).

By the way, I'd be wary about taking advice from people who've never owned either. I'd be even MORE wary about taking advice from people who've only owned small ones....... There's a reason you see lots of little ones and very few big ones. I know of only a handful that have grown either to anything close to fully grown, and none of those people would be likely to suggest them as pets.
 
I would get the dovii man.They have awesonme personalities,and are much capable of doing more damage then a umbee.Have u ever seen the set of canines they can grow.
 
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