Update on pier and marquette

[troutking]

I just didn't like how he was trying to make it sound like these are "easy" fish to keep, just because they've survived for a little bit in his setup. Trout and salmon are demanding species requiring cold, clean water. He says they can be kept in roomp temp water if acclimated when young. Well in the wild, yes they may experience temps of over 65-70 but it is for a short time of the year. We'll see how long they last...

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see someone try a species that is very rarely kept. I just think if your going to keep a coldwater fish, you should have a coldwater setup, not an outdoor pond with no temperature control.

I also feel that aquiring these fish was not exactly legal, since they are too small to have been taken on hook and line (show me where its legal to catch gamefish with some other method). Besides that, there are size limit restrictions on that river http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/regulations/mi/mi_regspere.html

How do uno he obtained them illegally? Ur just jumpingn to conclusions. He never said anything like that..its not tat people havent obtained fish w/o bending the law b4.How is this any different?I Who cares really its not like hes a Poacher which is what the law is geared towards. I agree that it was wrong for him to state that salmon can handle room temp when he has only kept them for 2-3 weeks which u stated. U never know with high enuf flow and oxygen they MIGHT survive.

 

[Owain4]

he knew he obtained them illegally because they arent in the size restrictions of the area he caught them.

 

[rjssniper]

i say we let it all go. and start discussing the fun stuff. keep us posted on the fish!

 

[troutking]

he knew he obtained them illegally because they arent in the size restrictions of the area he caught them.

Wasnt asking u...clearly directed toward him. Anyways How did he know which river it was caught in unless stated in another thread. Who wud go so far out of there way to find out the regs of this river? I see people w illegal fish hiding it very weakly and obviously yet they r not called out. This is b/c they were popular on the forums which is wrong. I remember a case in which a species of fish was clearly caught out of a ca lake,which was disclosed and its legality clearly questionable. Yet it was never mentioned. The other member has no rite on calling him out. None of his business. Its a fishKEEPING forum. He has obviously GOOD intentions, so who cares? And some1 who cannot see the good intentions is clearly not well in the mind. The OP is clearly just trying to raise a uncommom aquarium species in a pond. Not like the fry have a better chance in its original habitat IF indeed taken from its nautral habitat. In highly offensive legal cases, it may be reasonable to voice something like azn arows but not this. Just IMO

 

[Creek_stomper]

I think the general purpose of discouraging this kind of illegal taking is to discourage ALL cases of illegal taking. We say that this one is okay because it's harmless, but how many people are we encouraging to take fish in a slightly different situation, thinking "well two fish aren't going to hurt anything" when in fact the situation is entirely different.

I don't think it's wise to start blurring the lines on legality.

Josh H

 

[Wiggles92]

By the way, king salmon aren't even native to where these were collected, so all "this disrupts the balance of nature" arguments are highly inaccurate. In fact, removing them helps to put nature back to where it once was before humans tampered with it and introduced fish species that aren't native to these areas.

 

[kamikaziechameleon]

By the way, king salmon aren't even native to where these were collected, so all "this disrupts the balance of nature" arguments are highly inaccurate. In fact, removing them helps to put nature back to where it once was before humans tampered with it and introduced fish species that aren't native to these areas.

Case and point.

"I think the general purpose of discouraging this kind of illegal taking is to discourage ALL cases of illegal taking. We say that this one is okay because it's harmless, but how many people are we encouraging to take fish in a slightly different situation, thinking "well two fish aren't going to hurt anything" when in fact the situation is entirely different.

I don't think it's wise to start blurring the lines on legality."

I don't think lambasting someone makes a difference,for what amounts to a rather harmless practice what is the point if every mfk member caught two fry from a local river/lake that would not me .01 percent of the fish caught in season. Him and everyone else who would do it would still do it just not share the experience and knowledge.

I hope to hear how this pans out. Maybe we can learn from his experience.

 

[fisher12889]

How do uno he obtained them illegally? Ur just jumpingn to conclusions. He never said anything like that..its not tat people havent obtained fish w/o bending the law b4.How is this any different?I Who cares really its not like hes a Poacher which is what the law is geared towards. I agree that it was wrong for him to state that salmon can handle room temp when he has only kept them for 2-3 weeks which u stated. U never know with high enuf flow and oxygen they MIGHT survive.

I know he obtained them illegally because he posted where he got them from, and I read the regs for that river. I even posted a link to the regs here....

I just didn't like how he was trying to make it sound like these are "easy" fish to keep, just because they've survived for a little bit in his setup. Trout and salmon are demanding species requiring cold, clean water. He says they can be kept in roomp temp water if acclimated when young. Well in the wild, yes they may experience temps of over 65-70 but it is for a short time of the year. We'll see how long they last...

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see someone try a species that is very rarely kept. I just think if your going to keep a coldwater fish, you should have a coldwater setup, not an outdoor pond with no temperature control.

I also feel that aquiring these fish was not exactly legal, since they are too small to have been taken on hook and line (show me where its legal to catch gamefish with some other method). Besides that, there are size limit restrictions on that river http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/regulations/mi/mi_regspere.html

And I realize you may have to bend the law to aquire natives, which is why I posted this....

I've been searching this forum a lot lately, and you wouldn't believe how many times people have mentioned releasing their fish in the wild! (I know that doesn't really have much to do with this thread, just shows the disregard some people have for nature) Lots of people on here have aquired their fish illegally...and I realize that you might have to "bend" the rules a bit to get natives in some states, but to go around talking about it without regard is kinda rediculous.

Wasnt asking u...clearly directed toward him. Anyways How did he know which river it was caught in unless stated in another thread. Who wud go so far out of there way to find out the regs of this river? I see people w illegal fish hiding it very weakly and obviously yet they r not called out. This is b/c they were popular on the forums which is wrong. I remember a case in which a species of fish was clearly caught out of a ca lake,which was disclosed and its legality clearly questionable. Yet it was never mentioned. The other member has no rite on calling him out. None of his business. Its a fishKEEPING forum. He has obviously GOOD intentions, so who cares? And some1 who cannot see the good intentions is clearly not well in the mind. The OP is clearly just trying to raise a uncommom aquarium species in a pond. Not like the fry have a better chance in its original habitat IF indeed taken from its nautral habitat. In highly offensive legal cases, it may be reasonable to voice something like azn arows but not this. Just IMO

Why are you being such a jerk? Owain answered the question right? And I always call people out on here when I see them illegally taking fish, unfortunately there are too many people like YOU who think its OK... And maybe your right, we don't have a RIGHT to call people out for stuff like this, we have a RESPONSIBILITY to do so. We have to protect our natural resources, as well as uphold the integrity of this website. If everyone on here is talking about how they poached to get a fish for their tank, it sets a bad example for this website and fishkeepers alike.

On the legality part, I'm pretty sure that you're fine considering your age and the fact that a licensed (?) guide to you that you could collect them legally.

Good luck with the salmon; the odds are very much against them but maybe they'll make it somehow.

Just for the record, "the guide said I could" doesn't mean jack from a legal standpoint....

 

[troppond]

Wow big scare today, I was re-doing the stream because i caught 6 rainbow darters. Pier is officially dead, and marquette is going strong, I moved around the rocks and couldn't find marquette, I looked everywhere and figured he got eaten. I was literally removing the last rock separating the salmon pool with the rest of the stream where the darters are. I look down and there he is, snacking on some bugs I was soooooooooo happy, this post was almost a lot different. The salmon and darters are separated athough I'm sure he'd have no problems with them, he might just slip into the pond, there is basically no chance, I just want to keep him very very safe. He now has an enlarged pool with plants that I added. The pool is still closed off just bigger. He is doing fine with the warmer water though, so good luck Marquette

 

[troppond]

And troutking, you are in no way a jerk, and fisher,like troutking said, if you have the time to look up something i did to flame me for it, you need a life my friend