Updated the Russian AKM
- Thread starter JD7.62
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Mattyou;4934128; said:If I had that fully restored piece I wouldn't even wanna move the safety let alone run rounds thru it. Your gonna turn it into a safe queen.
Means your gonna need another "shooter".
Dont worry, I have a "shooter" or two laying around.
Like a Russian friend of mine said " there is a reason we got rid of the wood on Aks, its old, ugly and crap" I agree, i would replace the wood parts, stock, hangourd, bakelite mag etc with all black plastic furniture.
Why keep it original? i dont see the point personaly, there are more than 75 million AK-47 rifles in the world today and thats not counting chinese and warsaw pact clones.
Just my 2 c
Why keep it original? i dont see the point personaly, there are more than 75 million AK-47 rifles in the world today and thats not counting chinese and warsaw pact clones.
Just my 2 c
Perentie;4935571; said:
The rifle is a piece of history and it's history is with wood to be period correct.
Funny you say a Russian would say the wood Furniture is "old, ugly and crap". In my conversations (mostly with VDV, Naval desant) most prefer the wood as it gives the rifle character and style, The weight gain is also minimal over plastic. Many I know remove the plastic and get the older wood or purposely try and get an older rifle. The older AG-4 magazines are also much in demand and often a symbol of veteran status in a unit.
Anyhow shes looking real nice JD !!!!!!
You of coarse know my opinion on a full refinish......
Perentie;4935571; said:
This is not an AK-47, you know that right? Its an AKM. The Russians never issued AKMs with poly furniture that I am aware of. They only used them on the AKS-74 and AK-74Ms as well as the AK-100 series. Besides a real Russian AKM is not that common in the US hence keeping it original helps preserve its value. How many Russian AKMs are you in Australia? Oh wait, your government decided you couldnt have guns any more. Oops.
Now I would love a black poly Russian 7.62x39 mag for my AK-103 clone but they are about $150 a pop for ONE mag.
Pejelajarto;4935901; said:The rifle is a piece of history and it's history is with wood to be period correct.
Funny you say a Russian would say the wood Furniture is "old, ugly and crap". In my conversations (mostly with VDV, Naval desant) most prefer the wood as it gives the rifle character and style, The weight gain is also minimal over plastic. Many I know remove the plastic and get the older wood or purposely try and get an older rifle. The older AG-4 magazines are also much in demand and often a symbol of veteran status in a unit.
Anyhow shes looking real nice JD !!!!!!
You of coarse know my opinion on a full refinish......
Thanks man, you wont believe it but I paid $605 for a rifle that had that stock set on it just to put it on this rifle.
Im still working on finding more bakelight mags, but I do have a Molot RPK-74 mag on the way as well as some Russian plums. Oh yeah, just scored a PO 3.5x21p! Man, what a fantastic optic!
JD7.62;4936052; said:This is not an AK-47, you know that right? Its an AKM. The Russians never issued AKMs with poly furniture that I am aware of.
Thanks man, you wont believe it but I paid $605 for a rifle that had that stock set on it just to put it on this rifle.
Im still working on finding more bakelight mags, but I do have a Molot RPK-74 mag on the way as well as some Russian plums. Oh yeah, just scored a PO 3.5x21p! Man, what a fantastic optic!
Soviet AKM where never issued or manufactured with poly stocks but I do think some surplus might have been exported (Venezuela?, South-east asia) that had the wood swapped out with Ak-103 type furniture on contract.
On Venezuela, Really not sure if they where shipped from Russia that way or not though (doubt it). It could have just been a Venezuela modification to existing AKM they already had or obtained recently when they moved to replace the Fn-Fal a few years ago. They also received a few 100 thousand 103s direct from Ishvesk before beginning manufacture themselves which I'm sure came with the regular armory supply and repair kits. Not sure but I have seen some photos from there of a clearly 70's production rifle with a 103 stock set in service. Definitely no 90 degree gas block and earlier type non-simplified receiver with no stock lock installed. Gun interestingly also had the early two piece scope mount typical of the AKMN
Anyhow just found that interesting so thought I'd share...
Nice score on the scope and ya gotta tell me a bit more about the rifle ya that stock set of off.
I didnt think AKMs were issued with poly furniture. That is interesting about the Venezuela rifles. I did know they recently had purchased a ton of 103s.
The rifle I bought is one of those abominations distributed by ATI that uses a milled American made receiver with NO lightening cuts and a stamped soviet parts kit. I heard the parts are coming out of Bulgaria but they are definitely Soviet though my lower handguard has a circle 10 stamp on it. ALL numbers matched and the bolt and bolt carrier were clearly unfired. Other than using a stamped kit on a milled receiver, the trigger guard and the stamped rear trunion were screwed in instead of riveted. The rifle even came with a Soviet sling and oil bottle filled with oil! Luckily they are about to distribute the same offering but using a stamped receiver. From what I hear the kits are all matching unissued Tula kits however I believe the trunion will be scrubbed.
but still for an MSRP of $499 I think it should be a good deal, one could easily send off the rifle to one of the guys like Mario to have the trunion re-stamped.
Here is a link to the milled gun..
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=1298
Here is a video from SHOT this year on their stamped rifle, now this looks promising!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMKUrY-3vE&NR=1
The rifle I bought is one of those abominations distributed by ATI that uses a milled American made receiver with NO lightening cuts and a stamped soviet parts kit. I heard the parts are coming out of Bulgaria but they are definitely Soviet though my lower handguard has a circle 10 stamp on it. ALL numbers matched and the bolt and bolt carrier were clearly unfired. Other than using a stamped kit on a milled receiver, the trigger guard and the stamped rear trunion were screwed in instead of riveted. The rifle even came with a Soviet sling and oil bottle filled with oil! Luckily they are about to distribute the same offering but using a stamped receiver. From what I hear the kits are all matching unissued Tula kits however I believe the trunion will be scrubbed.
but still for an MSRP of $499 I think it should be a good deal, one could easily send off the rifle to one of the guys like Mario to have the trunion re-stamped.Here is a link to the milled gun..
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=1298
Here is a video from SHOT this year on their stamped rifle, now this looks promising!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMKUrY-3vE&NR=1
Well the Stamped definitely looks better than the earlier abortion candidate. I'll have to keep an eye out for one of these. Not sure what the hell they where thinking with the Milled rifle.
I just sent an email to Atlantic Firearms who is suppose to carry them and also give a discount to Arfcom members.
A little OT but you wouldnt happen to have any leads on any non commercial and non import marked Soviet Makarovs, preferably made in 1977 would you? Im suppose to trade a guy this weekend my new Rock Islan Armory for a reportedly non import marked military Soviet Mak with matching mag, a good deal for me if its true!
A little OT but you wouldnt happen to have any leads on any non commercial and non import marked Soviet Makarovs, preferably made in 1977 would you? Im suppose to trade a guy this weekend my new Rock Islan Armory for a reportedly non import marked military Soviet Mak with matching mag, a good deal for me if its true!
