UV...who needs it?

[varanio]

True colors eh? I seem to remember in your last post discrediting just because of the mere number that were bred and so forth, I am merely asking you to please enlighten us with any hands on experience that you may have, that you may feel the necessity to discredit someone who has bred an animal and has kept them successfully for a long period of time is all. Sad when someone has nothing, but to discredit another for their hard work and dedication towards 1,2,3 species. I take alot of pride in the things I have accomplished with my captives. Its far more than to keep them as just pets, its a responsibility for me to help these animals accomplish life events with me while under my care. Anything less than that would be a dissapointment for me and I would think it would be a huge disjustice to the animals, when they could all in all be free in their native geographical regions.

Everyone likes to bag on people like us because we like to learn from the animals rather than caresheets, journals and articles, sok please keep reading and keep accomplishing nothing.

 

[Jessica Dring]

Wow. You really are showing your true colours now on just how much you think your above people here..

So because I disagree with you, your questioning my experience?

Sad.

I would explain all my experience, but eh, why do I need to explain myself to you all of a sudden because I happened to disagree with you and now you think your the bee's knees so are 'disgusted' I could ever say such a thing..

As for the two species, eh, I was under the understanding you had only kept healthy and breeding two species of (sopposadly) UV needers, which I already gave you praise for, if it's more, than jesus christ you can have praise for them too

In the mean time, it would be nice to see you get off your high horse. Good on you for being experienced and breeding your animals, but eh, so does MOST of the hobby. But they don't go around questioning other peoples experience level just because they happened to disagree with them...NOR do they have the right (this includes you..)

I stand by what I said. Your experience with 2 (or 5 or whatever next) species that sopposadly required UV, keeping them alive and breeding without it, good on you..but thats it..only a few species of about just how many on this planet now????

You haven't made a new discovery JUST yet Varanio

But eh, If you come to me in a few years and say you have done the same with Green Iguanas, THEN I may eat my words

 

[Jessica Dring]

wow it said it hadn't posted first time...can someone delete the FIRST one please as I added more on the second..

 

[varanio]

again the green iguana example one of which I have never spoken about having any experience with. You seem to have the same disorder as ophi where you like to selective read and then disect the post to your advantage argument whatever, truly sad, but ill reiterate it for you like ive done in the past. Ok keep up with me here. 1. I Dont have experience with green iguanas. 2 I never claimed they did didnt half way needed anything in terms of UV or not UV. 3 I spoke of beardeds and cyclura and discredited cyclura because I keep them outdoors. While I think that UV light is useless for beardeds and cyclura "because I keep them outside (cyclura) " then I discredited them again, and focused it on bearded dragons. Then for some reason the selective reading drones, you and Ophi decided to think that I was speaking about all species mentioned. So then varanio gets frustrated because you two are generalizing rather than just taking in what I said about 1 species bearded dragons. Then discredit because I just ohhhhh happen to breed them and keep them alive healthy, so hell ya im gonna lash back when youre only what 15-16 years old and the other one is a walking library. hope you can understand that one sweetie

 

[lovespunaround]

hope you can understand that one sweetie

oh DAMN! it's on!

 

[Jessica Dring]

Varanio, I already praised you for it, but I WILL not be a believer of no UV requirements by 2, or 5 animals bred and kept healthy without it UNTIL it has been done with more than 100 species, or green iguanas at the least...

As for experience, UV wise?

Had a beardie die without it. Other than that, haven't risked ANY of my animals without it ( the so called species that require it anyway) and nor do I plan to.

We all know here your only asking my experience because your offended, which IMO you seem to do whenever things get bad with people. How much credit do you want from people? I credited you NOT discredited you, read carefully mate. You are keeping your animals for YOU not for credit, but your certainly making it look bad on this thread..

It's not morally right to just question peoples experiences because your offended, and I know thats what your doing, because it's gonna come out your more experienced than me and then you'll be happy. It won't make people believe your theory over mine any more than the vice versa, if they do, great, if they don't, great. Just because your experienced, doesn't mean a few species bred without it are gonna cause you to change the hobby (you won't as of yet) but hey if your that sure about your theory, why not do something about it, it would be interesting to find out if your theory is true or not, but I'm STILL not believing no animal NEEDS UV till I see hard, CONCRETE evidence.

IE: Every single animal kept healthy and breeding without it. which is what your claiming they can do eh?

You would do well to respect my opinion, and not start the insults because your upset by it. I didn't start doing that with you, and I totally disagree 'no animal needs UV'

Respectwise, I'm not sure you have alot if any for other people unless theyre breeding their animals. Some of us are responsible, not being sure if we can get homes for all babies, and because we may not be savvy enough on breeding, don't want to risk our animals!!!

That DOES not make us INEXPERIENCED!

I'm speaking for most herp owners here, as its getting unfair, our experience being questioned in all, give ALL OF US how long it took YOU to get experienced, THEN it'd be fair. Look at LSA, how many snakes does that guy have? I'd say he's experienced...without breeding them.

 

[varanio]

Dude your so missing the point, and your so at it again with the selective reading. Please go back and re read that I never stated that No species need it or dont need it, I merely stated my animals dont and that was specified all the way down to bearded dragons. I dont want to argue and I took your different english as a discredit if it wasnt Ill apologize, I dont think im any bigger, but I hate how folks think that books should be the # 1 source to keeping the animals rather than the animals being # 1 and listening to them to better understand them.

 

[Jessica Dring]

again the green iguana example one of which I have never spoken about having any experience with. You seem to have the same disorder as ophi where you like to selective read and then disect the post to your advantage argument whatever, truly sad, but ill reiterate it for you like ive done in the past. Ok keep up with me here. 1. I Dont have experience with green iguanas. 2 I never claimed they did didnt half way needed anything in terms of UV or not UV. 3 I spoke of beardeds and cyclura and discredited cyclura because I keep them outdoors. While I think that UV light is useless for beardeds and cyclura "because I keep them outside (cyclura) " then I discredited them again, and focused it on bearded dragons. Then for some reason the selective reading drones, you and Ophi decided to think that I was speaking about all species mentioned. So then varanio gets frustrated because you two are generalizing rather than just taking in what I said about 1 species bearded dragons. Then discredit because I just ohhhhh happen to breed them and keep them alive healthy, so hell ya im gonna lash back when youre only what 15-16 years old and the other one is a walking library. hope you can understand that one sweetie

When your ready to get off your high horse, then I'd be interested in debating this topic with you.

Your on a public forum but want to argue with (15-16 year olds) for not being experienced? Go ahead. Because you know something mate? This site will become VERY unpopular with that attitude.

Question my experience level if you want, hell yeah I don't know the half of it (at least I admit it...) but the animals I can take care of, I do VERY well.

I'm ready, and willing to learn more, which is abit more than can be said for MOST other kids of my age. I do quite well for my age too, carewise, and I'm giving myself credit on that one, as I do deserve it.

Green iguanas, eh, all I said on my last post is when you have proof that THESE PARTICULAR species do well (breeding and being healthy) without it I may actually look further into your claim no animal actually needs it.

Go ahead. Judge me for my age. Judge my experience level on my age. But I'm a heck of alot more polite to people then you'l ever be (unles they are agreeing with you of course, I hope you understand THAT one sweetie )

I can take being judged. I just hate people with their heads up their bum cause they bred some animals (I already gave you credit so I'm not gonna waste the space here doing it again) and all you can do is be rude back.


Face it. The reason we are in this debate like this is because I don't agree with it. And you can't just agree to disagree...which is all we want. Me and Ophi have respected YOUR opinion, yet you havent respected ours! You can't take it somebody is ACTUALLY disagreeing with you

Yeah me and Ophi have had our spats, but you know something? That guy has NEVER, NEVER, talked down to me, judged, or questioned my experience because of my age, which is now alot more than can be said for you. As a mod for this site you should know better.

Oh and yeah, go ahead have your say, make your post the last and then lock the thread so no one can aruge with you.

Won't make a difference either way.

 

[Jessica Dring]

Varanio, I never said books should be no 1 source. I agree with that one.

But everyone I have been given advice by, has advised with UV bulbs. And I just disagree with the lack of them until proof is abit more...sturdier.

 

[Jessica Dring]

quite frankly, I'm offended I have worked so hard for my animals to be as healthy as (presumably) they are, and to gain knowledge to get further with animals in the future, to have it all rained on by one person because he's more experienced than me.

Do you like stopping kids in their tracks, from learning, and discouraging them? Cause hey, I'm just saying, thats what your doing. This is the reason kids do get out of reptiles, because they are young and judged on that.

Guess I'm not ready for that chamelian eh