VA Tech shooting

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DavidW;812776; said:
1095 people died yesterday from cigarettes, same again today ( 400,000 per year in the USA)
If human life is so precious then wtf does the gov allow this?...oh yeah...they make a lot of $$$'s from it......

Because people have a right to smoke. Yes I'm a smoker, and I know the reason I smoke is I'm addicted. And I very much enjoy smoking. But thats my stupid choice :)
 
same with you. i'm done, think what you want and like read those books i recommended. you guys cut and paste parts with stuff you think you know but don't answer the parts i ask about like what about the responsiblity and duty of the police officers but anyway, i'm done. post me back after you read those books i recommended on the earlier posts.
peace out.
 
dude, i had depression too when i was a teenager, and i sure as hell didn't grab a handgun and started to shoot up my school. People sometimes do bad things and i honestly don't have any answers. Parents? His parents like i said probably worked hard, paid their taxes and wanted their son to be normal and productive. Violent tv shows and video games? How many of us saw violent tv shows and movies and played games where we shot people full of holes or worse and didn't go off the deep end? Probably a ton. I personally can say i watched a ton of chinese gangster movies full of violence and i mean violent in ways that makes american movies look like kid stuff. like having a rival gangster beaten to death and then grinding him up to dog food while making the others watch. Pretty sick right? Saw it, figure it isn't something i'm going to show my kids and moved on.
The only thing that i can say is that it seems the guys that go postal def. are loners, don't like to hang with others or have trouble expressing themselves to other people, and have a tendency to hold their angers in until it explodes. But even then, who can say? And you mentioned the guy's professor, so why didn't the professor try more to get him to a counselor, or even bring it to lawenforcement's attention? Who knows? Maybe the professor didn't really thought it was that serious.
 
CichlidPharmer;812794;812794 said:
It was a crazy English Major!

WTF's wrong with you? No need to blame Asians for this one.

Or maybe it was a crazy TwentySomething! Lol
actually, there was a post 10-20times worse than that. and it looked like that dude's response got pulled. The shooter was a crazy young Asian kid That's the sad fact maybe M/L was also shocked that it wasn't a crazy white kid that went on a rampage but this wasnt the first time some asian college kid went off the deep end, grabbed a gun and started shooting due to some thing or another.
 
DavidW;812776; said:
1095 people died yesterday from cigarettes, same again today ( 400,000 per year in the USA)
If human life is so precious then wtf does the gov allow this?...oh yeah...they make a lot of $$$'s from it......


Then add all the LEGAL drugs that people get over the counter or through prescription from their doctor from the big drug companies with lobbyists. Oh, and how many people has ganja killed? Umm.. ZERO. and let's put it in a time frame... EVER. haha


Honestly though, it's disgusting people would even think to criticize the school for not trying to prevent something like this from happening. The police obviously didn't prevent it from getting as big as it did either. When people like this kid yesterday decide they're going to do something of this nature they're going to do it. It needs to be understood he'd been planning it much like Eric Harris had planned Columbine; granted he didn't use the same medias to gather his thoughts and plans but nevertheless in their world their demise has long been coming. People will say naively well, if they'd been planning it we just need to take more things serious but that won't stop our society for leading certain individuals to come to beliefs that horrible violence can be justified in such a fashion. There will always be people who become ostracized unfortunately unless people really start to adhere to childhood rules like treat others the way you want to be treated and of the like. I do not believe he wanted to be remembered because it was an act of a coward reaching for help; not infamy.
 
tyl089;812522; said:
you know what, i'm done. you think what you like. but, maybe it's my fault for not being more clear. Yes, the police in theory is not liable to protect individual citizens and is not charged with negligence for failing to prevent specific crimes etc. due to limits of resource on police depts. but, there are still areas where the police will be found negligent if it is considered within their scope to protect private individuals but didn't like the case in NY where the NY police dept was held liable for not protecting a witness to a crime after he was murdered and in the court's opinion" in our view the police owed a special duty to use reasonable care to protect persons who have collaborated with them in the arrest, or posectution of criminals" (Schuster v. City of New York, 154 NE 2d 534 {NY 1958}. thats falls under "beyond police duty", and when a police deprive individuals of liberty, then that person when under police custody will also get the police in trouble if he/she was hurt if negligence is shown.
Having said that, there is still the SPIRIT OF THE LAW VS. LETTER OF THE LAW where police officers are supposed to hold spirit of the law more in regards as do you really want a police officer who don't give a damn crusing a beat, letting crimes happen even in "plain sight" because he/she feels they're not legally bound to protect anyone anyway? C'mon.
two, anyone can put handcuffs on criminals if they choose security officers included. ITS CALLED CITIZENS ARREST if you consider yourself an United States Citizen then you should know or atleast try to understand that.
as for books, try reading Criminal Procedure Law and Practice Rolando V. del Carmen, Criminal Justice in the Community Charles R. Mc Dowell, Multicultural Law Enforcement Robert M. Shusta Philip R. Harris, Deena R Levine, Herbert Z. Wong, Social Problems D. Stanley Eitzen, Understanding Human Behavior Rinehart Winston.
I'll read your recommendations; hope you read mine. I got more too if you want.


That's why it took them 2 hours to come to my house after my truck was stolen from my driveway huh? Don't say they were out doing more important things because the only other police call that morning was on the other side of MY NEIGHBORHOOD where a car was broken into and started (in a tactic to throw police off, commonly done). The thing is when a specific vehicle is targeted those who are going to steal it do a little surveilance on the schedules of people who live there. My reasoning in my case, there was only a 15 minute window in which it could have occurred due to my entire family being home at the time (6pm with the sun up on a thursday). Whoever stole my truck had to have known the routine schedule of both of my parents to know when they could have taken my truck in a neighborhood where someone is almost always walking their dog.


This happens to thousands of people and many times it can result in a home invasion or burglary as well if when they're attempting to do something is also a time they notice your gaurd is vulnerably down. I don't know about you but I felt violated as a human being knowing someone had been spying on me just so they could steal something because if they'd go to those measures just to TAKE something what else would they do?


Funny though anytime a party gets called on around here the entire fleet of squad cars roll up in minutes even if it's only 100 high school kids.


I'm not saying police officers stand there watching crime happen but that more times than not all they're good for is investigating after the fact. The police prevent probably less than 1% of all crime. Now do you understand why I've said the things I have? I don't believe most police officers think it's moral for them to not be legally bound to protect us as it's often a reason why someone wants to be a cop but don't get it twisted; police priorities are completely out of wack. Always have been, always will be unless the people army does something to change it and the whole system.
 
dougefresh;812729; said:
Actually if you read more of the news tonight they are saying he was deeply depressed, apparently his English professor was begging him to go to counseling because she knew he was but he wouldn't go. All his classmates are saying his writings and play were very morbid and disturbing too. They talked about the one play and it says it is about a son who hates is stepfather, and during the play throws chainsaws and hammers at his father, but finally kills him in the end by suffocating him with a Rice Krispie Treat. Obviously it was a disturbed young man who needed help, but didn't seek it so he went to drastic measures.


LOLOLOLOL!!! im sorry but i just spit my oatmeal on my screen!
 
TicaL;813452;813452 said:
That's why it took them 2 hours to come to my house after my truck was stolen from my driveway huh? Don't say they were out doing more important things because the only other police call that morning was on the other side of MY NEIGHBORHOOD where a car was broken into and started (in a tactic to throw police off, commonly done). The thing is when a specific vehicle is targeted those who are going to steal it do a little surveilance on the schedules of people who live there. My reasoning in my case, there was only a 15 minute window in which it could have occurred due to my entire family being home at the time (6pm with the sun up on a thursday). Whoever stole my truck had to have known the routine schedule of both of my parents to know when they could have taken my truck in a neighborhood where someone is almost always walking their dog.


This happens to thousands of people and many times it can result in a home invasion or burglary as well if when they're attempting to do something is also a time they notice your gaurd is vulnerably down. I don't know about you but I felt violated as a human being knowing someone had been spying on me just so they could steal something because if they'd go to those measures just to TAKE something what else would they do?


Funny though anytime a party gets called on around here the entire fleet of squad cars roll up in minutes even if it's only 100 high school kids.


I'm not saying police officers stand there watching crime happen but that more times than not all they're good for is investigating after the fact. The police prevent probably less than 1% of all crime. Now do you understand why I've said the things I have? I don't believe most police officers think it's moral for them to not be legally bound to protect us as it's often a reason why someone wants to be a cop but don't get it twisted; police priorities are completely out of wack. Always have been, always will be unless the people army does something to change it and the whole system.
yeah ok whatever. Finish on those books yet?
 
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