VA Tech shooting
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the professor that tried to protect his students knew enough to threw himself at the gunman using his own body as a shield. no one tried to back him up and if only maybe two tried then this tragedy may have decreased in scope. like the other member posted; if members of flight 93 were in those classes maybe the tragedy may have been minimized.
Do you honestly not know the difference between the public and the individual?!
Again, have you or have you heard of any one calling the police BEFORE a crime took place? The police are a reactionary force plain and simple. You are very naive if you think otherwise.
Again, have you or have you heard of any one calling the police BEFORE a crime took place? The police are a reactionary force plain and simple. You are very naive if you think otherwise.
i'm not naive. just because most crimes happen not in presence of police doesn't mean police will just sit around waiting for stuff to happen. police will still do active patrols around the city why do you think people get pulled over? Mostly for traffic violations but also to see if they are wanted for other stuff. The guy the police chased to my work was pulled over for a minor traffic stop and happened to have a gun and be a wanted felon.
and i think it's sad to have you guys think that police aren't legaly bound to protect individual citizens and i wonder about the kind of police officers you all have there. the thing that strikes my mind was when Katrian struck New Orleans and half the police bailed and one police officer was screaming mad and cursing those cowards for being "derelict of duty" and don't deserve the badge they were wearing and that "those of you that ran, don't bother coming back 'cause you're in the wrong business" then he pointed to the motto again "To protect and to serve". and ofcourse it's everyone's duty to watch out for themselves but also more importantly to help each other. Tical, i don't know what your issue is, but you don't agree with armed security and staff and you don't think police are leagally bound to protect us and the students don't have anything to defend themselves with so what are any of us to do to protect ourselves? and if i am naive, why are some of you guys quoting from my posts?
and i think it's sad to have you guys think that police aren't legaly bound to protect individual citizens and i wonder about the kind of police officers you all have there. the thing that strikes my mind was when Katrian struck New Orleans and half the police bailed and one police officer was screaming mad and cursing those cowards for being "derelict of duty" and don't deserve the badge they were wearing and that "those of you that ran, don't bother coming back 'cause you're in the wrong business" then he pointed to the motto again "To protect and to serve". and ofcourse it's everyone's duty to watch out for themselves but also more importantly to help each other. Tical, i don't know what your issue is, but you don't agree with armed security and staff and you don't think police are leagally bound to protect us and the students don't have anything to defend themselves with so what are any of us to do to protect ourselves? and if i am naive, why are some of you guys quoting from my posts?
TicaL;811767; said:
He commited suicide or so they say..if that was the case then the only person that stopped him was himself..and i wasn't assuming nothing was done by the victims, i am assuming that there might have been somebody there with him maybe an accomplice...different people react different ways when faced with death, so we'll never know until we are actually face to face with a life threatening situation what we would do, so i'm not assuming the victims just layed down and died...
tyl089;812015; said:
This is the only time I've quoted you and I've bolded the statement for which I've done so. I think it's even more saddening that people like yourself are still not knowing enough that this is the sad truth. I'm not trying to belittle the police force but merely bring up the reality of their existence. It is FACT that the police officers of the United States of America are in no way legally bound to PROTECT the citizens.
You wonder about the type of police officers I have here in the Phoenix metropolitan area? The same types of police men and women you will find in every state and mostly every city across the country. There are outstanding officers who never hesitate to go beyond the call of duty but there are still many others who won't and are corrupt. Just as you'll find people who are caring individuals to others around them there are still other people like the man who chose to kill 32 others including himself as we saw yesterday.
After seeing and have gone through many tragedies already in my young life it always saddens me that people always feel the need to place blame somewhere. In events such as this that are as media catching as it has been you end up getting the blame spread around much more than needed. So far people have already criticized the Dean, security staff, and even STUDENTS that were in the classrooms being fired upon. I'm not saying anyone specifically in this thread has cast blame on any student ducking under a desk to avoid being shot rather than trying some heroic charge unarmed at a man with two guns but there have been individuals who have done so.
The deadliest mass shooting in American history has just occurred; to be in search of where to displace hindsight responsibilities is an action of an emotionally callous individual.
police are allowed to carry guns 24-7 because it's their job duty to protect lives of citizens and aren't ever considered "off duty" and are not allowed to strike for better wages and benefits because they are deemed vital for safeguard of society. Police officers know what their duties and responsiblities are or at least they should be when they swore an oath before being issued the badge and gun. i think you have your information wrong about police officers not legally bound to protect the citizens period. its private security officers that are not legally bound to protect the citizens at large because we are private. We only need to worry about those that hired out for our service and even then, we are considered no more than private citizens and aren't bound to interfere even when a crime happened.
and i never said you quoted me. Anyway, it's cool since some agreed with my posts some didn't, and some agreed to parts but not others; but, i do agree with you that the thread did seem to have drifted, and my condolences and grief goes to the victim's families and even the shooter's parents who probably didn't have any idea their son will become deranged like that and destroyed so many peoples lives and no they have to live with the consequences of their son's actions.
and i never said you quoted me. Anyway, it's cool since some agreed with my posts some didn't, and some agreed to parts but not others; but, i do agree with you that the thread did seem to have drifted, and my condolences and grief goes to the victim's families and even the shooter's parents who probably didn't have any idea their son will become deranged like that and destroyed so many peoples lives and no they have to live with the consequences of their son's actions.
Razman;812207; said:
No almost every one of the news stations is saying it was suicide not the police, I also no a few people at VT, including family, who also said it was suicide........could be wrong but i'm pretty sure i'm not.........
