VA Tech shooting

[elevatethis]

I don't want to start a whole new discussion but I don't know that a couple people being armed would deter a nut that plans to shoot up the school. I think it would only make them trickier or add another element to their plan as to not get shot first.

After all in most instances the shooters don't go quietly and one would have to think, they consider what happens after they run out of bullets or have shot who they want to shoot.

I see your point. Someone crazy enough to do something like that isn't going to be deterred by the possibility that one of his intended victims might use equal force to protect themselves. I totally agree.

BUT...you can't deny the notion that if just one of those students were armed, one well placed shot could have saved a number of lives.

Your point is valid, but are you saying that its pointless for citizens to take measures to protect themselves? Better to have at least a small chance than no chance at all in a messed up situation like that.

 

[cichlaguapote]

BUT...you can't deny the notion that if just one of those students were armed, one well placed shot could have saved a number of lives.

Your point is valid, but are you saying that its pointless for citizens to take measures to protect themselves? Better to have at least a small chance than no chance at all in a messed up situation like that.

No I can't deny that first part and you may be right. And no I'm not a tree hugging hippie that hates guns either. Just saying it wouldn't be a deterent, but as you said it might have provided some safety esp. had the possessor of that firearm knew how to use it. But this is 2007 and a guns are a little taboo esp for the kids who are probably attending VT.. Not saying this is all kids. But I don't see someone who's parents sent them to be a scholar carrying around a pistol and being trained how to use it.

 

[elevatethis]

But this is 2007 and a guns are a little taboo esp for the kids who are probably attending VT.. Not saying this is all kids. But I don't see someone who's parents sent them to be a scholar carrying around a pistol and being trained how to use it.

I think that the whole taboo thing is part of what's wrong. It is unfortunate that people focus their taboos on the guns, and not the psycho's behind them pulling the trigger. Don't people realize that guns in the hands of good citizens stop the bad guys from hurting others?

VCU's argument for banning guns on campus is that they are "not conducive to fostering a proper atmosphere for higher education." So, given recent events in schools that involve mass murderers shooting defenseless students, how does removing the students' abilities to protect themselves in such an event in any way conducive to the educational environment?

 

[GJC]

I totally agree here. I live in Richmond, VA, and recently graduated from VCU (the team that beat DUKE in the NCAA ) and it is an urban campus - we're banned from carrying firearms on campus, period.

VA Tech is actually one of the few schools left in VA where you actually are allowed to carry firearms on campus. What really got under my skin is that the students in the building heard the sound of gunshots, but thought it was construction. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that the sound of a gunshot is unmistakable and obvious. We live in a society today that has put a taboo on guns, making them out to be evil, and ignoring the fault of individuals who choose to use them for evil purposes.

Its becoming increasing clear that in today's world, our law enforcement officials, campus administrators, and others in office are not actually preventing crime and acting merely as responders after the fact, and we've got to take responsibility for our own safety. I hate to sound like some gung-ho redneck (no offense to anyone), but I'm certain that cowards like Cho Seung-Hui or the Columbine shooters wouldn't go shooting in places where they felt they might be shot back at.

Well said, I agree.

 

[JCA]

what confuses me is how did the guy kill that many people with what was it two pistols? the first class he walked into should have been the end of it. i agree with the statement earlier about how we need to be more like wolves. but anyway the whole situation is sad

 

[TicaL]

I was pretty sure it had something to do with it being Adolf Hitlers Birthday....I could be wrong.

I'm prettttty sure that's still a mere coincidence as there were many many underlying reasons for what they did.

 

[deangelo]

same here JCA...how could one guy kill that many people without any of the intended victims ganging up on him....he had to reload sometime

 

[JD7.62]

When people are raised to be sheep it allows some one with minimal weaponry and most likely little training to cause alot of death. Not to mention when the person hellbent on doing harm chooses targets that are forced to remain defenseless. However,I bet you if the heroes of Flight 93 were in one of those classes lives would have been saved.

To the person that says the police are here to protect you; you are WRONG!! Yes the serve and protect the public but NOT the individual. When was the last time some one called the police BEFORE a crime took place? They show up afterwards to collect bodies...

 

[tyl089]

you better watch yourself. i'm asian, and you need to see what i posted. a mo**fkr is a mo**fkr no matter what race or creed. either way if i was working security on that campus and saw him, i would do what i need to do to stop him even if it meant using deadly force.

 

[TicaL]

same here JCA...how could one guy kill that many people without any of the intended victims ganging up on him....he had to reload sometime

From what I heard he was stepping outside the class to do so and in those instances they had thought he left, unfortunately only to return. One classroom did barricade the door after his first entry then which he decided to shoot through the door in frustration before continuing on with his rampage.



What people need to stop doing is assuming nearly nothing was done by the students to prevent any further shots being fired. I mean honestly no one here knows what the students had at their disposal to even throw at the dude let alone when an opportunity to rush him would have occurred.