Vegan /vegetarian fish food

[Hybridfish7]

I guess ill go ahead and close my mind like everyone else. After all, its absolutely impossible, preposterous even, to suggest that an animal that has evolved to eat meat could find 100% sustenance in vegetative sources...
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they still evolved to do that over the course of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, even if they still have carnivore hardware. bears as a whole are omnivorous to begin with so it isn't much of a change for one lineage to become herbivorous. they will still opportunistically eat meat however. there are obviously many examples throughout natural history of carnivorous clades of vertebrates evolving to become herbivores, like parrots and therizinosaurs, but this takes time. not millions of years of evolution suddenly getting blue balled by some middle aged vegan trying to push cultish ideals onto other species in a matter of months.

Thanks for creating a nicer environment.
I dont know if I'll abandone ny research, but I do take in mind all the info that was given here and like I said I wont change theyr diet unless I'll have alot of scientific info supporting this step.

so what you're saying is you're going to ignore everything everyone has said in hopes that you can get the green light to force your animals to be vegan. if you can't stomach feeding those species animal products, then don't care for those species.

did you not see these?

Differences in digestion between carnivorous fishes and omnivorous fishes

In nature there are fishes that are carnivorous, omnivorous, herbivorous, detritivorous and planktivorous, with a digestive tract adapted to their dietary requirements...

www.veterinariadigital.com

Nutrient Requirements of Fish and Shrimp | The National Academies Press

Read online, download a free PDF, or order a copy in print or as an eBook.

nap.nationalacademies.org

 

[Backfromthedead]

they still evolved to do that over the course of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, even if they still have carnivore hardware. bears as a whole are omnivorous to begin with so it isn't much of a change for one lineage to become herbivorous. they will still opportunistically eat meat however. there are obviously many examples throughout natural history of carnivorous clades of vertebrates evolving to become herbivores, like parrots and therizinosaurs, but this takes time. not millions of years of evolution suddenly getting blue balled by some middle aged vegan trying to push cultish ideals onto other species in a matter of months.


so what you're saying is you're going to ignore everything everyone has said in hopes that you can get the green light to force your animals to be vegan. if you can't stomach feeding those species animal products, then don't care for those species.

Yes of course, i put up that picture above specifically because it illustrates the beautiful juxtaposition of sharp canine teeth ripping into some fibrous vegetation. but the whole point is they can and do subsist entirely on vegetation when they need or want to for whatever reason. After all, being strictly herbivorous would put them at the same disadvantage carnivores face.

I feel like everyones getting wound up over the wrong reasons here. Just as OP shouldnt prescribe their vegan diet plan to their fish we shouldnt be ascribing our warped political beliefs to them either.

 

[Hybridfish7]

Yes of course, i put up that picture above specifically because it illustrates the beautiful juxtaposition of sharp canine teeth ripping into some fibrous vegetation. but the whole point is they can and do subsist entirely on vegetation when they need or want to for whatever reason. After all, being strictly herbivorous would put them at the same disadvantage carnivores face.

I feel like everyones getting wound up over the wrong reasons here. Just as OP shouldnt prescribe their vegan diet plan to their fish we shouldnt be ascribing our warped political beliefs to them either.

if you ignore the occasional cult accusations you will see that we are more concerned about the fish

 

[Savethemall]

I'm not ignoring anything. I take in account all info that was shared here. I'm just saying I'll continue to research.
I can also share with that as for now, k foing to take this to a bit of a new direction and try to see if I can build a diet that will include animal products that dosent support industries. One idea was chicken eggs from a freedom farm.
Btw ,didnt know if I mentioned it,the situation is that I have 3 Pangasius in pond. 4.5 m on 2.2 m. 8k liter It's small for them . Im trying to create a cooperation with a an animal sancurary to move them In to a 25k liter pond. This sanctuary is a freedom farm that rescues animals from the meat industry and therefore all of theyr residence are vegan.
So I'm trying to see if theres some way to build a diet for the pangasius that they will be ok with, which means one that dosent support meat industry.
If I can build something based on side products and leftovers it might work.. but I need a way to make sure that these as well are nutrients enough. And also to build the veg part of the diet ..

 

[JackEmerson]

If I can build something based on side products and leftovers it might work.. but I need a way to make sure that these as well are nutrients

I think Omega One is made from scraps and leftovers from fishing industry. Junk that would be tossed away is processed into fish food pellets. Would something like this fit inline with your goals?

 

[Trouser Cough]

I think Omega One is made from scraps and leftovers from fishing industry. Junk that would be tossed away is processed into fish food pellets. Would something like this fit inline with your goals?

Omega one says they use the whole fish. Other feed mfg's typically use the waste product discharged by processors.

 

[JackEmerson]

Omega one says they use the whole fish. Other feed mfg's typically use the waste product discharged by processors.

When Omega One says whole fish, they really mean whole pieces of scraps. Here is an old post by RD explaining it:

When the EPA clamped down on Alaskan fish processing plants (that were dumping their waste in the ocean) along came Dennis Crews (owner of Omega, and a former national sales rep for Tetra) and these fish processors were more than happy to let him take their processing plant waste (heads, skins, and bones) off their hands. The Alaskan Govt. were more than happy to provide a large grant for Omega as they were helping resolve a serious problem with processing plant waste, and pollution. A win-win for everyone.

That being said, maybe this is a permissible route for our vegan friend?!? If it is going to be thrown away anyways, why not use it? On he other hand, Omega One also has shrimp, which may not be sourced from scraps.

However, there might be some other company that sources their fish/shrimp from 100% scraps??

 

[Trouser Cough]

When Omega One says whole fish, they really mean whole pieces of scraps. Here is an old post by RD explaining it:

That is very interesting and distinctly different from the message they put out to the public. Here's a video they use to indicate precisely what's in their feed and the term "whole fish" is used repeatedly. No reference to processor effluent, ever.

 

[RD.]

It wasn’t exactly a trade secret how Crews started up. All the info was very public at the time, in Alaskan papers, etc. Crews was an awesome salesman, and as a former marketing rep for Tetra he knew how to sell the dream. Last I heard they moved camp to the shores of Lake Erie in OH.

 

[RD.]

2000 ASTF report





Fish Friendly OmegaSea

OmegaSea President and CEO Denny Crews loves fish. He has a

small aquarium at home and another one in his office on the

docks in Sitka. He likes fresh water fish. He likes salt water fish

and now heÕs in the business of making fish food.

"I have been either commercial fishing or saving fish most of my

life," he said.

Before founding OmegaSea, Crews worked as the national sales

representative for Tetra, the largest fish food supplier in the

world. The problem was the primary ingredient in most fish food

is fishmeal a substance with low nutrients because it is

processed before it goes into fish food. "The nutritional level just

isn't there," Crews said.

Crews decided to head back to Alaska and find a way to use fresh

fish waste from commercial processors to create a nutritional

food for fish. To kick start the business, Crews went to the Sitkabased

processors and asked for free fish. They were more than

happy to oblige. Crews supplies the processors with totes so they

can dispose of the fish heads and carcasses as they clean and

gut the fish. The processors, Crews said, are more than happy to

get rid of the byproduct because it saves them the time and cost

of grinding and dumping the waste.

Once back in his plant, Crews grinds the remains of salmon, cod

and other species into a slurry with vitamins and other ingredients

to produce one of the fastest selling flake fish food on the

market today.

Now, with the help of project funds from ASTF plus matching

funds from Alaska Growth Capital, Crews has a $1.5 million project

to buy equipment to develop a new product line Ð fish pellets.

If successful, the venture could provide up to 50 fulltime jobs in

Sitka and a new, stable industry.

Already OmegaSea serves 1,600 retail stores throughout the

U.S., including 12 in Alaska. The New York Aquarium uses

OmegaSea. So does Aquarium Concepts in Oklahoma. Meanwhile,

Crews has just finished putting together his first order for a distributor

in Japan, where the home aquarium market is second

only to that of the U.S. Both the U.S. retail market and the

Japanese market are ready for pellets, he said.

"WeÕre interested in strong growth," he said. "In dry aquarium fish

food, roughly 60 percent of the market is flake fish food, and 40

percent of the market is pellets. Presently, pellets are becoming

more popular. The ASTF funds will allow us to expand into this

growth market, helping us to increase sales and become a more

rounded player in the industry."

It will take Crews about a year to develop the product and get it

to market, he said. After heÕs conquered the pellet market, heÕll

venture into hatcheries. Crews said he plans to look at the

Northern Southeast Regional Aquaculture Association in an

attempt to provide pelletized food for the hatchery fish, which

may guarantee a stronger, healthier return of the species to their

spawning grounds.

Then it will be on to dog and cat food using fresh fish waste,

which will bring Crews full circle. It seems his favorite fish in the

home aquarium is a dogface puffer fish that looks something like

a small puppy.

(OmegaSea currently devolping a website