Venomoid Snakes????

[Sylvias]

No.
If you want to work with hots you take the risk that comes with it.
As I already said, there is only one somewhat reasonable excuse for getting a venomoid and for personal use is not it.

 

[Lambrakopoulos]

lol its like having fake tits, awesome dude

 

[Sylvias]

real men like em real.

 

[Lambrakopoulos]

real men like em real.

Yea, but do real man like them REAL SMALL?! Thats the question lol

 

[snakeguy101]

Although I will never get a venomous snake, do you think if one was to get a venomous snake they should have the procedure done just as an extra precaution? I mean it just takes one mess up with an actual venomous reptile...

No, I think that a part of getting a hot snake means that you should be prepared enough to prevent slip ups. I know people that have been keeping for 30+ years without an incident. A bite is not something that is inevitable when you take the proper precautions (and this does not include removing venom glands. I went more in depth on why I dislike them in the substitute cobra thread here:

Venomoids are hotly (pardon the pun) debated with those in the venomous community so please excuse us if we get carried away, we don't mean to.

The general census is that they should not be allowed into the general public and I agree. Unfortunately, there are people stupid enough to try and breed 2 venomoids together and expect them to produce venomoid babies. There is also the risk of teaching children (or idiots) that it is okay to pick up a rattlesnake or cobra or whatever and not understand the difference. Then there is always the risk of getting the two mixed up in a pet store or something and a 12 year old could end up with a new loving taipan or some crap.

 

[Joe M]

I don't see an problem with a licensed vet preforming this operation. Done right, it is not cruel at all. It allows a beginner to attempt a hot while being just a tiny bit more confident. I don't fully trust the surgery however, and would still treat the animal as a hot.

That being said, Venomoids work is A+ stuff. The animals come with PIT tags that identify the animal as a venomoid, and paperwork. I know a guy who keeps some of their snakes (a few different species of cobra, a monocle and i cant remember the others... a formosa maybe?) and he puts a live mouse in every 6 months and provokes the snake into biting it, then observes the mouse for a few days. The mouse always lives, and it should with the implants put in by venomoid to prevent tissue regrowth. The snakes are treated as hots as they should be, and are never handled. They are always in a locked room along with his legit hots.

Its like saying its cruel to spay or neuter a dog. It doesn't affect the animal at all (there's absolutely no evidence that a venomoid lives a shorter life due to difficulty digesting food. Go ahead, try to find some.....) and I just don't see the problem. A resonsible reptile keeper should have the opportunity to puchase any type of snake, venomous or venomoid, as long as the animal is well taken care of. People just need to realize that you don't buy them as a pet to just play around with.

 

[Sylvias]

not quite the same as getting a dog or cat fixed... that actually has a real purpose and SHOULD be done....
but i see what your getting at

 

[paul112]

It allows a beginner to attempt a hot while being just a tiny bit more confident.

But since the snake is venomoid, their safety routine might get lazy or sloppy, since they know it doesn't pose a real threat.

A lot of the enjoyment in the hobby is owning something that is unchanged, undomesticated, wild and instinctive. I wouldn't want something that's been surgically altered to fit my lifestyle (so I can be clumsy and not die.)

I think a lot of people that get reptiles are looking to boost their ego, by owning something unusual or dangerous, and for this reason I'm partly against the sale of crocodiles, large snakes and venomous reptiles, but at the same time I know there are some people capable of proper care for them.

Venemoids just give Joe Cool the chance to show off to his mates, which will just make him get a proper venemous, or something else dangerous, because he thinks he can handle it.

Paul

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Yea, but do real man like them REAL SMALL?! Thats the question lol

yes. any more than a mouthfull is a waste

 

[snakeguy101]

But since the snake is venomoid, their safety routine might get lazy or sloppy, since they know it doesn't pose a real threat.

A lot of the enjoyment in the hobby is owning something that is unchanged, undomesticated, wild and instinctive. I wouldn't want something that's been surgically altered to fit my lifestyle (so I can be clumsy and not die.)

I think a lot of people that get reptiles are looking to boost their ego, by owning something unusual or dangerous, and for this reason I'm partly against the sale of crocodiles, large snakes and venomous reptiles, but at the same time I know there are some people capable of proper care for them.

Venomoids just give Joe Cool the chance to show off to his mates, which will just make him get a proper venomous, or something else dangerous, because he thinks he can handle it.

Paul

I agree completely. Venomous snakes (venomoid or not) should not be readily available to most people.

yes. any more than a mouthfull is a waste

Wait, what are you putting in your mouth? Y'all lost me...