Vieja Synspilum Sexing

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Ahh yes, I can see a significant difference in the steepness of the male profile. Mine do appear to be female based on all of your observations, but I will hold out a bit and see if anything changes. Will keep you all updated. Thanks again!
Matt
 
Yes, don't jump to conclusions about gender, although they will spawn young, many Vieja take between 2 and 3 years to fully mature.

Sounds great, I’ll play the waiting game with the others as long as they have adequate space. Thanks for your input!
 
I have some young syns/mels... Started out with a group of five and am down to two which I believe to be male and female. The three that I got rid of showed no blue eyes until I moved them into a smaller holding tank where they were the lone fish. All three took on male characteristics almost over night. From my experience, the blue eye theory holds true, however it often comes with maturity/dominance. The male I have right now, which is in a 220gal with other larger and more dominant fish, does not show blue eyes, yet was the largest and most dominant of the group by far. Yours look to be quite a bit larger than mine, and I would agree with the majority that they do look female. However, as others have said, I'd give them more time and perhaps one will turn out to be male.

Worth noting, to add to the confusion, I have two very mature pearsei (6 years old) and while not "vieja" both male and female display very vivid blue eyes the majority of the time. Eye color can and will change with not only age and dominance, but also mood.
 
I have some young syns/mels... Started out with a group of five and am down to two which I believe to be male and female. The three that I got rid of showed no blue eyes until I moved them into a smaller holding tank where they were the lone fish. All three took on male characteristics almost over night. From my experience, the blue eye theory holds true, however it often comes with maturity/dominance. The male I have right now, which is in a 220gal with other larger and more dominant fish, does not show blue eyes, yet was the largest and most dominant of the group by far. Yours look to be quite a bit larger than mine, and I would agree with the majority that they do look female. However, as others have said, I'd give them more time and perhaps one will turn out to be male.

Worth noting, to add to the confusion, I have two very mature pearsei (6 years old) and while not "vieja" both male and female display very vivid blue eyes the majority of the time. Eye color can and will change with not only age and dominance, but also mood.

It’s interesting how moving them to a tank by themselves, or taking them out of a stressful environment can cause their physical characteristics to change so rapidly. Something to consider when originally stocking, I suppose. Thank you so much for your input...I will give them time.
 
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That is fascinating to me, I had no idea. Is that where venting comes into play? And does venting simply require a photo of the underbelly? I only ask because whilst I now intent to give them some time and let them mature, I have a 180 which will not be large enough to house this amount of fish for very much longer. If I were to snap a picture of the undersides, would you all be able to give a yay or nay?

Thanks for your time here.

Matt
 
Photos may be useful, but they must be very focused on only the vent area. I have found certain cichlids are (for me) easy to vent, some not. Tomocichla tuba, is easy, but some very keel shaped cichlids are not.
 
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