itsbadlands;2468012; said:wtf is going on?whats it over???
jcardona1;2468000; said:
TheMightyOscar;2468484; said:yeah..beceause every day there are nutjobs shooting up hotels in coordinated attacks in the US..
Knowdafish;2469092; said:If this happened in the U.S. the stupid terrorists would be shot dead already! The right to bear arms is one of the things that KEEPS America great! When citizens aren't allowed to have guns that means only criminals will have them! Look at Mexico with all the drug related shootings! Even the police there are helpless against it! The people in Mexico protest, but a protest is nothing against a loaded gun!!! Look at what's going on in Africa! It wouldn't be near as bad if the citizens all had guns to protect themselves and their property!!
krzr3000;2469111; said:Ok...i'm NOT going to debate guns but the structure of our western society is why that doesn't happen here.
But the deal in mexico is drug related, and you packing isn't going to put up a fight on a gang with automatic weapons. The problems are deeper than that...the cartels have pockets in the political system. Which is why the kidnappings are a part of life there.
Africa isn't defending property in their suburbian homes. The issues there are climate related like water supply and famine. Its rebels, government, the U.N. all involved in a huge crisis. Not the local gang striking fear in people...
Knowdafish;2469128; said:There is ALOT more going on in Africa than just that. It's genocide! One ethnicit group hates another enough to try and wipe them off the face of the planet! Hundreds of thousands of defenseless people being murdered!!
Anytime and everytime you give a person the means and the right to defend themselves and their property they are better off than being defenseless!!!
nishant_datta;2469183; said:so what you're saying is that to prevent genocide of group A by group B you give guns to group A also. so both will have guns. hmmm i think its what arms dealers do. sell guns to both sides, which leads to war. that cant be any solution. individual possession of arms as opposed to a group being armed are totally different.
anyway, lets just pray that the mumbai crisis is resolved soon. news reports here state that around 100 people are feared dead with more than 180 injured !