Vontehillos

[armac]

Let's do another experiment, I saved your photo from here and will repost it, that would give a test of what may have happened.


There you go, if I save a picture from THIS BOARD and repost it, there is the watermark.

How interesting

 

[armac]

I guess that little experiment disproves the Asian customer picture fabrication

Hey also, nice tank, that tank aint no fabrication............

 

[GMFISHNUT]

Yeah, all pics except all the other ones he posted other than the umbee. Look at the buy/sell thread again. The bucket fish and the umbee have the MFK stamp in the thumbnail versions.

I don't know why that would be. Who cares?

To tell you the truth, this whole discussion, in a weird way, makes me want to go to my LFS to buy all their Vontehillos just to see what they turn into (they're little guys right now; 2-3" or so).

You have to admit all this attention this fish has received has made for some interestin discussion in the past couple of weeks!

Like you said Chris, I'm dying to see how they turn out as adults. I have moved my pair to their own 120 and will grow them out and continue to post pics as they grow so we can see how they turn out.

In my opinion, Ira made a mistake by posting a pic when he wasn't sure if it was actually a bucket of "Vontehillos" but I have a feeling he was led to believe it was. After meeting him a couple of times and talking to him on the phone occasionally it's clear to me he wasn't trying to mislead anyone and just got caught up in a bad situation. I know he was pretty upset and even questioned the legitimacey of the fish himself. Bottom line is this, the fish is just a Hericthys Carpintis from an area called "Vontehillo". I don't know if this area even exists but I believe he deserves the benifit of the doubt unless we know for sure that it doesn't. I take that back, I should have said, his supplier deserves the benifit of the doubt.....

Like Chris, RD and others have stated, a specific collection locale in no way constitutes a new sp. I agree.

That being said, they are a beautiful strain of H. Carpintis and I recomend to anyone who has considered keeping them to try and get some while they are available. Like I have said before, my pair is only 3-1/2" and are just lit up with great color.

The "Vontehillos" have made for some interesting reading, better than reading the "wich is the meaner cichlid threads".

Need to go shovel the 15" of snow out of my driveway now but if I make it back alive you bet I will be back to catch up on this thread later!

Ira, hope your dad is doing well and makes a full recovery. Good luck.

 

[flowerpower]

Why not contact Ira or Don directly about the issue. Seems like the best way to clarify the story surrounding this fish.
This photo was taken directly from an email that Ira sent me yesterday. Notice the MFK watermark. Case closed.

 

[cchhcc]

Why not contact Ira or Don directly about the issue. Seems like the best way to clarify the story surrounding this fish.
This photo was taken directly from an email that Ira sent me yesterday. Notice the MFK watermark. Case closed.

I'm satisfied with the explanation that Don gave regarding Vontehillos. There's no issue anymore with me trying to get more info. Now it is just, as GMFishnut said, a matter of opinion whether collecting a fish from another location makes a difference or not, especially when one begins to pare down collection points to smaller and smaller areas. It may make a difference to some and may not to others.

FlowerPower, regarding "case closed", the other photos (other than the vonts and umbee) in the buy/sell thread don't have a watermark. I'm not saying that to imply some sort of conspiracy on Ira's part, just to point out the inconsistency.

DC should have done a better job for his seller. I agree that Ira was likely mislead by his supplier. One can only speculate whether or not that was intentional or accidental, but such speculation probably doesn't need to be done here.

 

[Nemesis]

Come on man, think about it. We have all seen how Ira copies photos. He ends up with the original posters whole post, including post count and everything. Ira is not the most computer friendly person in the world. As a matter of fact I was the one who assisted him on how to get the photos from his email to the site. If you want to go back and check, you will see that the pics didn't appear the first time he tried.

 

[armac]

Why not contact Ira or Don directly about the issue. Seems like the best way to clarify the story surrounding this fish.
This photo was taken directly from an email that Ira sent me yesterday. Notice the MFK watermark. Case closed.

Quick question on the other photos you have to enlarge them to see the watermark, on this photo, it is already enlarged, so the water mark is apparent.

Is that right?

 

[bud]

I think location is everything when I am buying w/c fish.For example the only Synspilus I like is 'Rio Sarstuns' from Guatemala

 

[bud]

Oh and it looks like my favorite Carpintis is the 'Vont'

 

[RD.]

In my opinion, Ira made a mistake by posting a pic when he wasn't sure if it was actually a bucket of "Vontehillos" but I have a feeling he was led to believe it was.

George, after reading everything that has taken place here over the past few days, I tend to agree with you. No fault of Ira's, he was simply sent a bogus photo with some bogus info.


Case closed indeed. The photo of the bucket fish was obviously downloaded (water mark & all) from MFK, then eventually passed on to Ira as something that they most definitely were not. If that's acceptable to some people, so be it.