Vontehillos

[Jimmy Side eye]

the problem with that approach is that it assumes a discrete number of collection and differentiation between one and another.

What's to keep the vendor or collector from naming fish from one throw of a cast net one (made up) location...and a throw from a few yards down the bank another one ("super green" for example). There WILL be diffrences in the fish from both casts...and within the casts.

There is natural variation in any population...and unless there's some sort of feature that permanently keeps one "location" from mixing with another, then isolating and breeding fish from one spot in a population is less authentic than taking fish from a broader pool (that may or may not be named differently by the collector / vendor).

Matt

Exactly. You can't capture a few fish from the wild, start a breeding program with a few fish that are likely siblings, and consider the resulting similarities in their offspring charateristics of a new "race" until you significantly broaden your gene pool and still see the same unique characteristics.

I hear what you guys are saying, it all makes complete sense.

If, lets just say we were to refer to all the Carpinte in this region as H. Carpinte 'Panuco', i for one wouldnt feel comfortable for instance, purachasing a new female for my male. I would be concerned that even though my newly purchased female is a Carpinte, from roughly the same region as my male, she may possess different characteristics to my male.
In a perfect world, where we could completely trust the word of the collectors/vendors, regarding the EXACT catch locations of certain fish. I would feel much more confident purchasing a female from an area very close to the area my male origionated from, EVEN though there could still be a strong possibility of diversity.

LOL Maybe im just looking into all this to much. Gotta say, ive enjoyed all the recent Vontehillo threads, theyve been very interesting, entertaining and informative.

 

[cchhcc]

I know where you're coming from Jimmy, and I tend to agree in that I'd want to keep pairs separated too.

 

[dogofwar]

I think that "panuco" or "panuco drainage" would be a useful and accurate description

in establishing captive breeding stock, selecting a perfect match from the same cast net haul is no more authentic than selecting another random fish from the same watershed. Or better yet providing the fish with choices.

The differences that we see in the various "locations" of fish being sold could be as much about the stock selected for captive breeding (and emphasized through further caprice breeding / selection for desired characteristics) as actual differences among the fish found in the various places in the same watershed

Matt

Matt

I hear what you guys are saying, it all makes complete sense.

If, lets just say we were to refer to all the Carpinte in this region as H. Carpinte 'Panuco', i for one wouldnt feel comfortable for instance, purachasing a new female for my male. I would be concerned that even though my newly purchased female is a Carpinte, from roughly the same region as my male, she may possess different characteristics to my male.
In a perfect world, where we could completely trust the word of the collectors/vendors, regarding the EXACT catch locations of certain fish. I would feel much more confident purchasing a female from an area very close to the area my male origionated from, EVEN though there could still be a strong possibility of diversity.

LOL Maybe im just looking into all this to much. Gotta say, ive enjoyed all the recent Vontehillo threads, theyve been very interesting, entertaining and informative.

 

[caribemob]

I believe that he means the worm-like pearls around the face.....

Thanks Davey, FOR CLEARING THAT UP

 

[fishguts]

 

[cchhcc]

..... but you still stopped by to take a look, didn't you Fishguts? ; )

 

[fishguts]

..... but you still stopped by to take a look, didn't you Fishguts? ; )

ya but i had the pic in my pictures and had to post it because it makes me laugh.

 

[dogofwar]

This thread has been a roller coaster

I thnk it all comes down to "a different name does not a different fish make"... Although a different name gives a different fish to sell (often "exclusively" if you've made up the name)

Matt

 

[caribemob]

This thread has been a roller coaster

I thnk it all comes down to "a different name does not a different fish make"... Although a different name gives a different fish to sell (often "exclusively" if you've made up the name)

Matt

I think when it all comes down to it the Carpintis Vontehillo is Hot and thats it

 

[LOPAKA]

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