WC jaguar cichlids

[BlesOne]

^^^ I understood the basis of the argument actually. My 2nd comment was more of a side note directed at the subject that this thread was originally created for. The jags do look pretty "cool" and I would definitely be interested in one under the right circumstances.


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[tampa_bass]

after reading the description of feral i don't think it really applies.. we have feral hogs here in florida that people call wild but, they are in fact domesticated hogs that in only afew hundred years have almost lost all domestic pig traits. my point being that these jags were introduced in the 60's and weren't domesticated so while it's a good argument you can't list a WILD species as domestic or feral.. florida wild caught cichlids seems to me the way to go

I don't think anyone's disputing that they're cool fish. Just what to properly label them.

My vote is for "feral"

Matt

 

[darth pike]

Why not just 'Florida caught cichlids' ...? Avoid the whole mess that way.

 

[Aquamojo]

The greatest threat to native species is that more hobbyists, instead of accepting captive bred strains, they are looking for pure breed. Pure breed cannot be maintained in captive environment for long and wild fish must be imported from time to time to replenish the gene pool. This led to over explotation of native fish by fish collectors setting up camps in African lakes and SA/CA water to collect the newest species and race of fish.

Completely wrong. The biggest threat to the environment is man...but not because of collecting. Deforestation, land development or the introduction through plan or negligence plays the biggest part. No collector is out their strip mining fish. If anything, programs like CARES and other conservation programs by hobbyists have done more to preserve species.

I don't think anyone's disputing that they're cool fish. Just what to properly label them.

My vote is for "feral"

Matt

Mine as well. That said...if you want to do whats right down their in Florida...if you catch a managuense or other species, stick it in your tank or put it in the frying pan. Don't put it back in the water.

 

[90cat]

Aqua Mojo is right he is doing a service by taking out an invasive specie, what he does after that is up to him (besides throwing it back in). I do think that the hobby is a double edged sword though. The market creates a demand for collectors to extract individuals from the system which could arguably be an impact on that population, however because we care about these species and where they come from that could create "publicity" about impacts that may be effecting them informing more people of the problem.

 

[tiger15]

Completely wrong. The biggest threat to the environment is man...but not because of collecting. Deforestation, land development or the introduction through plan or negligence plays the biggest part. No collector is out their strip mining fish. If anything, programs like CARES and other conservation programs by hobbyists have done more to preserve species.



Mine as well. That said...if you want to do whats right down their in Florida...if you catch a managuense or other species, stick it in your tank or put it in the frying pan. Don't put it back in the water.

Not completely wrong. Collection of pure species in the wild has led to rarity and near extinction some species in some areas.

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  • "As a consequence C. frontosa has become extremely rare along the Burundi coast. 15 years ago we could look around and see, at 20-25m depth, dozens, if not hundreds swimming around us. On this (latest) dive down to 30m we only saw 2 young specimens less than 10cm. Not a single adult in sight! In the 1970s, by lying on the bottom at a water depth of 4-8m we would enjoy seeing thousands of Enantiopus and Xenotilapia species breeding on the sand. Such an exciting sight! It is more than a year now since we have seen any Enantiopus... Today that are almost impossible to find when diving." - Cichlid news April 2011 vol. 20

 

[newworld]

Yeah managuense are very common in south Florida I caught a bunch a few weeks ago and have some growing out...

 

[Aquamojo]

Not completely wrong. Collection of pure species in the wild has led to rarity and near extinction some species in some areas.

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  • "As a consequence C. frontosa has become extremely rare along the Burundi coast. 15 years ago we could look around and see, at 20-25m depth, dozens, if not hundreds swimming around us. On this (latest) dive down to 30m we only saw 2 young specimens less than 10cm. Not a single adult in sight! In the 1970s, by lying on the bottom at a water depth of 4-8m we would enjoy seeing thousands of Enantiopus and Xenotilapia species breeding on the sand. Such an exciting sight! It is more than a year now since we have seen any Enantiopus... Today that are almost impossible to fwhen diving." - Cichlid news April 2011 vol. 20

There's nothing in that quote that says the scarcity was due to over collection. Species go out of existence for a number of reasons. Some of it ecological. others because of the impact of introduced species. You're seeing that now in the canals of Florida. Tilapia have had a negative impact on endemic fish around the world. Then you have fish that are cross breeding out of existence. H. Labridens in Media Luna comes to mind. What area and fish specifically has been impacted by collecting?

 

[pops]

all I know is my female wild caught Honduras and my male wild caught costa rican. anything less is a mutt. in this case a Floridian mutt. no better petagree (sp) than a tank bread.

Happy 4th all!!!