WC jaguar cichlids

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dogofwar said:
Because "feral" is the more accurate, appropriate label, especially given the confusion that calling them "wild" could cause.

From Wikipedia:

A feral animal (from Latin fera, "a wild beast") is an animal living in the wild but descended from domesticated individuals. When the term is extended to plants it reflects a transition from cultivated to uncultivated or controlled to volunteer status.

As with an introduced species, the introduction of feral animals or plants to non-native regions may disrupt ecosystems and has, in some cases, contributed to extinction of indigenous species. Feral species may however eliminate "problem" species such as rodents, harmful insects, or aggressive plants. Likewise returning lost species to their environment can have beneficial effects, such as bringing damaged ecosystems back into balance.
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Well first off not me or you know wehere the original jags came from feral from your def is domestic animal turned lose if these fish were transported strait from CA to the canals of fl they were never domesticated just transfered. And neither of us knows that for sure. Second everybody cries about the invasive species in fl waterways when the real damage was done by the people who decided to destroy the everglades to build luxury homes with canals for backyards. Its funny how everyone wants to be a eco hero but the fact of the matter is unless we pack all our houses,cars, and all the other things man worships pack them up with all the trash we produce (including you and me) and send it out of space to live as indigenous people do. The self proclaimed smartest creatures on earth will have destroyed the earth and shorted our time here faster than all the species that are lesser than us. Yes i know i went way off subject but i feel people went way off of the OP subject as always to prove what they know. As stated he can get wild caught fl jags for anyone who wants them, he didnt lie ,defraud,mislead or use any incorrect terms in his post.
 
It's a pretty safe assumption that the feral jags in Florida (like all of the other invasives) came from either hobbyists or commercial fish farming. They're not native there.

The destruction of the Everglades is a tragedy and one that will have real negative impact on people and the environment.

Want to learn more about conservation of freshwater systems? Check out the speaker at CCA's meeting on Saturday:

http://www.capitalcichlids.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17529

Colin Apse is Senior Freshwater Conservation Advisor for The Nature Conservancy’s Africa, Great Rivers, and Eastern U.S. Freshwater Programs. He has over a decade of experience at TNC working on freshwater ecosystem conservation and sustainable water management solutions. He is motivated by the belief that managing our scarce freshwater resources to meet rapidly growing human needs without sacrificing the biodiversity and critical ecosystem services of lakes and rivers is a core environmental challenge of the 21st century.

In Africa, he is currently supporting fisheries and watershed conservation efforts on Lake Tanganyika as part of an integrated human and environmental health project focused around Mahale Mountains National Park in Tanzania. Colin is also advising the creation of the Upper Tana-Nairobi Water Fund, designed to deliver payments for the watershed stewardship upstream of major water users.

Colin also supports for the Conservancy’s Great Rivers Partnership, which seeks to advance integrated river basin management across the globe through targeted investment in collaborative river basin projects and facilitation of an international exchange network. Colin co-led the development of a conservation blueprint for the Magdalena River Basin in Colombia - one of the Partnership’s Great Rivers - now being used as the basis of a major conservation and development collaboration with the Colombian government.

Much of his work in the United States focuses on developing strategies and policy approaches that balance human water use and environmental water needs – such as fish passage and adequate flow - at state and river basin scales. Colin cas served on technical advisory committees on sustainable water management reform in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Pennsylvania, and in the Delaware and Potomac River Basins. Colin recently finished leading the Northeast Aquatic Connectivity Assessment Project, a collaborative across thirteen states which prioritized opportunities for dam removal or mitigation based on modeled ecological benefits. This work is now expanding to the Chesapeake Basin and Southeastern U.S. states to help give us a picture of fish passage priorities for the U.S. Atlantic coast.

Colin received a B.A. from Duke University and a Master’s degree in environmental management focused on aquatic ecology from Yale University. He lives in Portland, Maine and works out of TNC’s Maine Chapter office in Brunswick.
 
dogofwar said:
It's a pretty safe assumption that the feral jags in Florida (like all of the other invasives) came from either hobbyists or commercial fish farming. They're not native there.

The destruction of the Everglades is a tragedy and one that will have real negative impact on people and the environment.

Want to learn more about conservation of freshwater systems? Check out the speaker at CCA's meeting on Saturday:

http://www.capitalcichlids.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17529

Colin Apse is Senior Freshwater Conservation Advisor for The Nature Conservancy’s Africa, Great Rivers, and Eastern U.S. Freshwater Programs. He has over a decade of experience at TNC working on freshwater ecosystem conservation and sustainable water management solutions. He is motivated by the belief that managing our scarce freshwater resources to meet rapidly growing human needs without sacrificing the biodiversity and critical ecosystem services of lakes and rivers is a core environmental challenge of the 21st century.

In Africa, he is currently supporting fisheries and watershed conservation efforts on Lake Tanganyika as part of an integrated human and environmental health project focused around Mahale Mountains National Park in Tanzania. Colin is also advising the creation of the Upper Tana-Nairobi Water Fund, designed to deliver payments for the watershed stewardship upstream of major water users.

Colin also supports for the Conservancy’s Great Rivers Partnership, which seeks to advance integrated river basin management across the globe through targeted investment in collaborative river basin projects and facilitation of an international exchange network. Colin co-led the development of a conservation blueprint for the Magdalena River Basin in Colombia - one of the Partnership’s Great Rivers - now being used as the basis of a major conservation and development collaboration with the Colombian government.

Much of his work in the United States focuses on developing strategies and policy approaches that balance human water use and environmental water needs – such as fish passage and adequate flow - at state and river basin scales. Colin cas served on technical advisory committees on sustainable water management reform in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Pennsylvania, and in the Delaware and Potomac River Basins. Colin recently finished leading the Northeast Aquatic Connectivity Assessment Project, a collaborative across thirteen states which prioritized opportunities for dam removal or mitigation based on modeled ecological benefits. This work is now expanding to the Chesapeake Basin and Southeastern U.S. states to help give us a picture of fish passage priorities for the U.S. Atlantic coast.

Colin received a B.A. from Duke University and a Master’s degree in environmental management focused on aquatic ecology from Yale University. He lives in Portland, Maine and works out of TNC’s Maine Chapter office in Brunswick.
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To little to late. Stop look around you everything u are looking at will eventually be trash multiply that by every person in the world its only a matter of time. The damage has already been done. Humans with their intelligence, inventions and creations are nothing more than a incurable cancer to the earth.
 
The greatest threat to native species is that more hobbyists, instead of accepting captive bred strains, they are looking for pure breed. Pure breed cannot be maintained in captive environment for long and wild fish must be imported from time to time to replenish the gene pool. This led to over explotation of native fish by fish collectors setting up camps in African lakes and SA/CA water to collect the newest species and race of fish.
 
Wow, first I got people telling me that "thaw" and "unthaw" now mean the same thing, now this thread where fish caught in the wild aren't actually wild caught, even when the person lists their exact source.

Oy.
 
This is an entertaining thread. I actually see the point and somewhat agree with both sides lol

Those are some nice Florida Jags too, "wild caught" , "feral" or "invasive" .


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thanks for all the interest guys!! I never expected this kind of discussion but, hey it's turned into a pretty damn good one!!:ROFL::ROFL:
i'll be heading down again in afew weeks for collection. I 'm going to quarantine the fish and treat them for parasites and diseases. hey whatever little part i can do to provide for MFK members and help the ecosystem( even though the canals themselves should be all filled in!!) recover alittle.. I'll post picks after collection.. thanks all
 
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