WC jaguar cichlids

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Because they r not native to that area. For example if I had a pond on my property .5- 2.5 acres obviously man made and added wild caught fish and the fed themselves they would not be wc parents are offspring not. Look at the south Florida waterway as a big ass pond with introduced species all offspring are f1+ they r not wild caught even 50 yrs ago of all the introduced jags wc or captive breed that we're introduced once they produce offspring ( WC x CB) the offspring are not wild caught any more.
 
You should quarantine them - like ANY new fish that you get - before introducing them to a community. Otherwise, it's rolling the dice on the entire tank getting lymph, ich, internal and external parasites and any other stuff that can come along for the ride.

Matt


Loshmitchell101 said:
Thats really nice size. Im considering buying some, what would I treat them with before going into a community tank?

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In general, it's a bad thing to take fish from one habitat and introduce them to another, even in the same country and even if they're the same species.

For example, when we collected Gymnogeophagus in one area of Uruguay on the first couple of days of a collecting trip...and changed water at a different location the next day, it would be a really bad thing to drop fish from the first location into the second (because they'd mix and the offspring would lose the unique character that's developed from living in either location).

It's not as if Central American waterways are pristine, untouched habitats. Jags and other guapotes (as well as African Tilapia) have been introduced in a lot of places as food fish. With, of course, devastating consequences on native populations.

Matt


Michael6945c said:
I've always wanted WC fish.


Out of curiosity, if a collection of jags was released in Honduras, would it contaminate all of them and make them all feral?


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Didn't we go through this about a month ago with Slavini?
 
When fish are released into the wild and fend for themselves for several generations they are wild. There have been thousands of fish species whos wild numbers have been restored by using captive breed stock. Salmon trout and lots of other fish have been restocked from cb programs. Whether they are feral or invasive if they live in the wild feed themselves and reproduce for several generations they are wild. Also just because u catch a jag in CA how do you know it was not captive breed and released into the river by native CA people what makes it wild is the fact it lives in the wild without help from man. 2 snakeheads have established a whole population of wild snakeheads in the potomac river being invase has nothing to do with being wild. There are a lot of invasive fish in the mekong river that have established wild populations. Just because we dont want them to be here if they can adapt to the water,climate and can reproduce and substain a heathy population they are wild. So like it of not the fl populations of snakeheads,cichlids,pythons and all the other species of animals that are thriving without the help of man in fl are wild.
 
dogofwar said:
In general, it's a bad thing to take fish from one habitat and introduce them to another, even in the same country and even if they're the same species.

For example, when we collected Gymnogeophagus in one area of Uruguay on the first couple of days of a collecting trip...and changed water at a different location the next day, it would be a really bad thing to drop fish from the first location into the second (because they'd mix and the offspring would lose the unique character that's developed from living in either location).

It's not as if Central American waterways are pristine, untouched habitats. Jags and other guapotes (as well as African Tilapia) have been introduced in a lot of places as food fish. With, of course, devastating consequences on native populations.

Matt
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The fish would lose characteristics initially but over time they would regain them because the enviorment is what shapes these characteristics.
 
We're talking about two things here:

1) Appropriate labeling of fish for sale / trade in the aquarium hobby, where "wild" is understood to be from the native location (and not an introduced one), and

2) Description of the state of captive bred fish released into native and non-native habitats

While I'd admit that the fish in question are living in the "wild" (2), I think that labeling them as "wild" (1) in the context of aquarium fish is much less appropriate than labeling them as "collected from a feral population in Florida."

What is the motivation to label them for sale as "wild" and not "feral"?

Matt

soon hock said:
When fish are released into the wild and fend for themselves for several generations they are wild. There have been thousands of fish species whos wild numbers have been restored by using captive breed stock. Salmon trout and lots of other fish have been restocked from cb programs. Whether they are feral or invasive if they live in the wild feed themselves and reproduce for several generations they are wild. Also just because u catch a jag in CA how do you know it was not captive breed and released into the river by native CA people what makes it wild is the fact it lives in the wild without help from man. 2 snakeheads have established a whole population of wild snakeheads in the potomac river being invase has nothing to do with being wild. There are a lot of invasive fish in the mekong river that have established wild populations. Just because we dont want them to be here if they can adapt to the water,climate and can reproduce and substain a heathy population they are wild. So like it of not the fl populations of snakeheads,cichlids,pythons and all the other species of animals that are thriving without the help of man in fl are wild.
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So quarantine these guys before adding to my community is enough? Would you treat them while in quaratine? How long would you quarantine for and would you do this at higher temps? Do you think itll be hard to get these to eat at this size already?

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