What are some of your go to pellet foods?

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Hahahahaha, which side you guys picking? Again, between the pellets I feed, I'd choose Northfin. NLS, and cobalt (note the cobalt food I feed is different, I didn't find it online at first, but I found it now. but it has Prawns, Jinga Shrimp, and jumbo squid meal as it's first 3 ingredients). I think I would choose NLS for overall pellets as they have a lot of good ones while cobalt only has a few pellets I like. Cobalt's Spirulina Flakes don't even have spirulina in the first 5 ingredients. But if we were going with one specific pellet for carnivores I'd go with the cobalt Ultra Predator Micro Pellets.
 
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Reefer, you are welcome to feed whatever you prefer, as is everyone else. I'm certainly not holding a gun to anyone's head, but I also didn't start this topic, stating what is "best". In fact, I agreed with Galantspeedz early on when he stated:
Define best brand?

Quality food?
Value for money?
Easily accepted by fish?
Etc

The term "best" is not going to be easily defined among a wide audience such as all of the various members of MFK. For many hobbyists what is "best", is what is cheapest, but still gets the job done. Others enjoy feeding live, it's not always as simplistic as what is most nutritionally sound.

I'd like to ask you something though, what makes repashy and frozen food any different? They are both largely water, only difference is repashy is a lot more nutrient dense than frozen food.

What makes it different, is one is watered down finely crushed pellets, and the other isn't. Repashy isn't a lot more nutrient dense than frozen food, clearly you aren't doing the math amigo. Obviously I can't make any type of comparison with frozen food, and Repashy, as the comparison of the nutrient profile would be dependant on the type of frozen food. As an example, the fatty acid profile of frozen mussels would be far greater than frozen tilapia strips. Read the Repashy thread from 2012 that I linked to, I don't think I can make things more clearer than that. If nothing else just read post #86 & 87 in that past discussion.

I feed more frozen food than I do pellet food for that reason, it fills the fish up more.

I don't believe in feeding fish to satiation, I don't run a fish farm so maximizing gains in growth aren't one of my goals in my fish room. In fact I encourage most people to feed more sparingly, and that slow even growth is more natural, and over the long haul far better for the fish. So how "full" a fish feels, is a non issue for me. Like many animals, most fish are hard wired to eat until they can't move (feast/famine) so it is very easy to allow fish overfeed in captivity. And as already mentioned, a full fish doesn't equate to an optimum diet, or optimum nutrition, if the fish is mostly full of water.



Again, I'm not attempting to tell anyone what or how to feed, but this is a public forum where I would imagine one expects others that actually care enough, to comment.

Others like to simply piss & moan, but offer nothing in the way of any value to these discussions, and I guess that's ok too.
 
A big difference between frozen and the other stuff is frozen has no binders/fillers. It is what it is.
Frozen tends to be loaded with salt too.
 
A big difference between frozen and the other stuff is frozen has no binders/fillers. It is what it is.


Frozen food uses water as a binder. I'll bet theres much more water weight in frozen food vs. Binder weight in any dry food.

Bingo!

I think it would be more accurate to call water a filler, as like most fillers they are simply there to add "bulk" to the food, and in this case water adds zero nutrient value. So from a nutrient standpoint it is a very low quality filler. Either way water on average makes up 60-90% of most frozen food, compared to pellets, that with regards to moisture content are typically in the 5-10% range. The volume of water in a food makes a huge difference when comparing foods on an ounce by ounce basis.

A typical analysis of freeze dried bloodworms.

Guaranteed Analysis
Min. Crude Protein - 55%
Min. Crude Fat - 3%
Max. Crude Fiber - 5%
Max. Moisture - 5%

A typical analysis of frozen bloodworms. (from the same manufacturer as above)

Guaranteed Analysis
Min. Crude Protein - 6.3%
Min. Crude Fat - 0.8%
Max. Crude Fiber - 0.3%
Max. Moisture - 91.2%
 
I pick TheReefer TheReefer should just shut the hell up and listen. Stop making dumb threads that’s already been posted hundreds of time, to stop making fake new profile ( we know who you are kid), stop giving advices, and lastly, stop arguing with RD. RD. he has more forgotten knowledge about fish food (some says he’s on a NLS diet himself) than you’ve researched on google all year.
 
I pick TheReefer TheReefer should just shut the hell up and listen. Stop making dumb threads that’s already been posted hundreds of time, to stop making fake new profile ( we know who you are kid), stop giving advices, and lastly, stop arguing with RD. RD. he has more forgotten knowledge about fish food (some says he’s on a NLS diet himself) than you’ve researched on google all year.
Dloks can you stop attacking me, seriously there is no reason for it. If you don't like me, fine, just ignore me. I've been trying to ignore you but you keep attacking me for no reason, just stop it, you can disagree with me without attacking me.
 
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While I don't completely agree with Dioks rather direct approach lol, he's not far off the mark. A lot of your threads, Reefer, are way out there in left field, and I have never believed that you are 38 yrs old. The only reason I even post in some of your threads is so that if someone new to the hobby reads it, they don't blindly follow your advice. A lot of it isn't that good. Not attacking, just sayin ......

Hahahahaha, which side you guys picking? Again, between the pellets I feed, I'd choose Northfin. NLS, and cobalt (note the cobalt food I feed is different, I didn't find it online at first, but I found it now. but it has Prawns, Jinga Shrimp, and jumbo squid meal as it's first 3 ingredients). I think I would choose NLS for overall pellets as they have a lot of good ones while cobalt only has a few pellets I like. Cobalt's Spirulina Flakes don't even have spirulina in the first 5 ingredients. But if we were going with one specific pellet for carnivores I'd go with the cobalt Ultra Predator Micro Pellets.

You can repeat this until you are blue in the face, but according to the manufacturers ingredient list your top choice for carnivores consists of a LOT of plant matter. Far beyond the typical gut content one would find in a prey fish.

Perhaps you missed this the first time around, so I'll repeat it again; "Ultra Predator, which Cobalt states "highlights meat proteins and gut contents of fish prey." Really, does it? Out of the top 5 ingredients listed by dry weight, only one is fish based (prawns) the next 4 are all plant matter, one being CORN. Exactly how does that in any way mimic what a predator would consume in the wild? How much algae, kelp, seaweed, and CORN does a predatory species require in captivity? How much plant matter can most predatory species digest, assimilate, and utilize? Think about it. Instead of just reading the crude protein level actually consider the amino acid content of that protein, and their source. Predatory species eat fish, with some gut content, not the other way around. "

Pet food ingredient lists North America are listed by percentage of dry weight. So now do the math. If you add up the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th ingredient, the chances of them adding up to more *plant matter*, including CORN, than the main ingredient, would be very, very likely. Almost an absolute given. If this was a bet in Vegas, I would bet it all. When I see raw ingredients such as corn, soybean, and as you say a formula such as their Spirulna flakes:
Cobalt's Spirulina Flakes don't even have spirulina in the first 5 ingredients

....... that sends red flags up for me, as it should for all consumers. Great BIG red flags. When a company goes cheap in one area, they generally do the same wherever they feel they can get away with it. This goes with almost everything in life, so instead of being bamboozled by fancy marketing, pay attention to the little details. The founders of this company are all from United Pet Group, they aren't just simple hobbyists that decided to come up with a better mouse trap.

I looked at this company when it first hit the market 7-8 years ago (it's not new), I hit the back button almost immediately due to a few reasons. One was raw ingredients such as soybean and corn, that's farm feed quality, might as well toss some feather meal in while one is at it. Reminds me of another food that came out yrs ago that some of the peeps here got all excited about, until I pointed out some of the flaws, such as feather meal. lol This isn't a terrible brand, but it sure as hell ain't anywhere near my definition of "best". So by all means continue to feed it to your fish, Reefer, while I continue to not feed it to mine. :)
 
While I don't completely agree with Dioks rather direct approach lol, he's not far off the mark. A lot of your threads, Reefer, are way out there in left field, and I have never believed that you are 38 yrs old. The only reason I even post in some of your threads is so that if someone new to the hobby reads it, they don't blindly follow your advice. A lot of it isn't that good. Not attacking, just sayin ......



You can repeat this until you are blue in the face, but according to the manufacturers ingredient list your top choice for carnivores consists of a LOT of plant matter. Far beyond the typical gut content one would find in a prey fish.

Perhaps you missed this the first time around, so I'll repeat it again; "Ultra Predator, which Cobalt states "highlights meat proteins and gut contents of fish prey." Really, does it? Out of the top 5 ingredients listed by dry weight, only one is fish based (prawns) the next 4 are all plant matter, one being CORN. Exactly how does that in any way mimic what a predator would consume in the wild? How much algae, kelp, seaweed, and CORN does a predatory species require in captivity? How much plant matter can most predatory species digest, assimilate, and utilize? Think about it. Instead of just reading the crude protein level actually consider the amino acid content of that protein, and their source. Predatory species eat fish, with some gut content, not the other way around. "

Pet food ingredient lists North America are listed by percentage of dry weight. So now do the math. If you add up the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th ingredient, the chances of them adding up to more *plant matter*, including CORN, than the main ingredient, would be very, very likely. Almost an absolute given. If this was a bet in Vegas, I would bet it all. When I see raw ingredients such as corn, soybean, and as you say a formula such as their Spirulna flakes:


....... that sends red flags up for me, as it should for all consumers. Great BIG red flags. When a company goes cheap in one area, they generally do the same wherever they feel they can get away with it. This goes with almost everything in life, so instead of being bamboozled by fancy marketing, pay attention to the little details. The founders of this company are all from United Pet Group, they aren't just simple hobbyists that decided to come up with a better mouse trap.

I looked at this company when it first hit the market 7-8 years ago (it's not new), I hit the back button almost immediately due to a few reasons. One was raw ingredients such as soybean and corn, that's farm feed quality, might as well toss some feather meal in while one is at it. Reminds me of another food that came out yrs ago that some of the peeps here got all excited about, until I pointed out some of the flaws, such as feather meal. lol This isn't a terrible brand, but it sure as hell ain't anywhere near my definition of "best". So by all means continue to feed it to your fish, Reefer, while I continue to not feed it to mine. :)
I acknowledge a lot of my posts are like that and I'll try to cut down on that. As for the ultra predator pellets, I have found them to work very well, that's just my experience with them, though. I find it clouds up my water/tank less and that it shows good results in my fish tank.
 
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