What are the signs of gill flukes? Heavy breathing?

[T1KARMANN]

That temp 80 is higher than natural conditions .......

If they were breathing hard due to temp it's because it's too hot !!!!!!

Henlei have a kinda sunken in head between the eyes . If its severe you'd know.head is different than the others these guys are used to. Theres Sometimes things you cannot test for with aquarium test kits . Prazi is a very safe med . If you have any scaleless fish they will usually rub on the bottom well before you see a ray breathing from a single lung.

Never had a problem with temp at 86 it keeps parasites at bay the rays seam to feed better

Been keeping mine at that for over 10 years and have only ever had one out brake of gill worm due to moving fish to a new tank

My tank has lots of oz and good circulation

My advice is based on what works for me


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[DavidW]

Never had a problem with temp at 86 it keeps parasites at bay the rays seam to feed better

Been keeping mine at that for over 10 years and have only ever had one out brake of gill worm due to moving fish to a new tank

My tank has lots of oz and good circulation

My advice is based on what works for me


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"86 keeps parasites at bay" ???

LOL
which particular parasite would that be?.....
You understand that gill WORMS and gill FLUKES are totally different animals, with different symptoms and different treatments right?
If no parasite is present when you move a fish to another tank then please tell me where on earth one would be supposed to come from to affect a fish just by moving it?
your advice appears to be based on ignorance compounded by attitude...........

 

[Tor-Eriik]

Yargnits: If he has 2 tricke towers with wet dry i can _almost_ say there is no chance in hell that there is an oxygen problem.

 

[calgaryflames]

Warm aquariums are sess pools for bacteria which in turn parasites will thrive

Those areas of brazil are not raging high temperatures. The air temp maybe 86 on a very hot day.
I've no idea how a river full of snow melt and cold rain water could possible be over 30 degrees celcius . I have family that lives in brazil it's snows in winter but temp rarely drops below 15 celcius and rarely goes above 30. It might feel like plus 50 due to humidex.

 

[T1KARMANN]

"86 keeps parasites at bay" ???

LOL
which particular parasite would that be?.....
You understand that gill WORMS and gill FLUKES are totally different animals, with different symptoms and different treatments right?
If no parasite is present when you move a fish to another tank then please tell me where on earth one would be supposed to come from to affect a fish just by moving it?
your advice appears to be based on ignorance compounded by attitude...........

Here we go again mr w disagreeing with everything I say

If it doesn't keep parasites at bay can you please tell my why when anyone has a problem the first advice given is
UP THE TEMP AND ADD SALT

if turning the temp up has NO effect can you please tell me why this advice is always given

Please post some pics of your current rays or anything you have kept in the last 2 years oh yeah you haven't had any

I base my knowledge on keeping rays you base yours on what you have read on the net and we all know EVERYTHING on the net is true right


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[calgaryflames]

Here we go again mr w disagreeing with everything I say

If it doesn't keep parasites at bay can you please tell my why when anyone has a problem the first advice given is
UP THE TEMP AND ADD SALT

if turning the temp up has NO effect can you please tell me why this advice is always given

Please post some pics of your current rays or anything you have kept in the last 2 years oh yeah you haven't had any

I base my knowledge on keeping rays you base yours on what you have read on the net and we all know EVERYTHING on the net is true right


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Adding salt and raising temp is very temporary. I'm a fan of it but there has never been any solid evidence it makes a difference.and it's a very fine line easy to over due it.

Adding salt raises Tds insane off the charts. It shocks the fish. Raising temp more than likely does the same. one reason we see results is because we have stressed out ray ,raise Tds off the charts shock the crap out of the thing than things go back to normal and so does the ray.

I've discovered not doing anything usually gets me a fastest results

 

[T1KARMANN]

Adding salt and raising temp is very temporary. I'm a fan of it but there has never been any solid evidence it makes a difference.and it's a very fine line easy to over due it.

Adding salt raises Tds insane off the charts. It shocks the fish. Raising temp more than likely does the same. one reason we see results is because we have stressed out ray ,raise Tds off the charts shock the crap out of the thing than things go back to normal and so does the ray.

I've discovered not doing anything usually gets me a fastest results

But by keeping the temp high 24/7 has no shock to the fish at all as in my case that's the temp the rays was born in

My rays sometimes live in temp of 88-90 in the summer and I expect that a lot of other ray keepers in hotter country's have the same

The only way to lower temp in the summer is water change or buy a chiller which I don't think many of us have

So this would mean in the summer many of the people who keep there temp at 80 are getting big temp swings from 80 to 90 which you say is stressful

My temp swing in summer is only 4o which is much less stressfull than a swing of 10o

Rays are the same with temp as ph keep it stable and they are fine


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[yargnits]

Yargnits: If he has 2 tricke towers with wet dry i can _almost_ say there is no chance in hell that there is an oxygen problem.

"_almost_ say there is no chance" if your happy with almost thats fine.

user is considering using meds to ease his concern.
the problem is that the rays is breathing heavy i can only asume its doing this to get more oxygen into its system.

adding extra air pumps directly into the tank will not harm anything or do any damage as dosing randomly with meds could and if the ray is breathing heavy then its a quick and easy elimination
add lots of air to the tank . if the problem is still there fine. if it goes away you have just solved the problem in a few easy steps and havnt shocked or harmed the ray or any of the tank mates by this simple check.

when my rays are breathing heavy they usualy eat less too. if they start swimming near the outlets because they need more air air they start using more energy than they take in. condition starts to dwindle and this can lead to other health problems.

without actually checking its just asumption and we know where assumption leads. the guy also said that the ray was behaving a bit better not long after he turned down the tank temperature.

people can assume what they like but it wont beat checking and eliminatinating. its just a helpful suggestion at the end of the day.
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how is the ray doing now ? what did you do / change ?

 

[DavidW]

........ disagreeing with everything I say

I base my knowledge on keeping rays you base yours on what you have read on the net and we all know EVERYTHING on the net is true right


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Oh boy...where to start with you T1......
Do people forget how to ride bicycles?
You must be the single most misinformed source of ray information on the web.
Single handedly, by your insistent but repetitively unsafe information and your complete lack of reason or understanding of cause and effect, YOU have alienated most of the truly knowledgable people from this site .
You try to make a virtue out of your lack of education or curiosity and sheer ignorance.
IMO you are incapable of learning. You are anosognosic. Simply put:MOST OF THE TIME YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Hence I disagree with you.

Have you been to the Amazon to have a look for yourself? nah...didn't think so. Probably you saw it on tv once tho right?!
I wonder if you even know where it is on a map. I bet that you have no idea at all where the river that P14's are found in is or what the water is really like there.
Just another armchair warrior BS'ing . Internet muscles only. You personify the reason why I think the ray hobby ( and all of tropical fishkeeping) is doomed.
Contempt? ya think so?
I would strongly suggest that if you really want to do something good for the ray hobby you would consider STFU.
However,I fully expect your ego will push you to continue to insist , based on your dumb luck and sample of 1, that you are always right and anyone else is wrong.
Therefore I will log out and let the dog bark.

 

[stingray keeper]

Yargnits your suggestions are very much appreciated and all suggestions are. In the first place when i noticed the heavy breathing i had heavy aeration in my sump within the 2 powerful air chambers but still i added a ton more air (didn't change anything). I am not a nooby so i know that aeration is not the problem. I did come to the conclusion that my tank was too warm. I set my tank to 80 a couple months ago and it always stuck around there but my heater and new thermometer both were not functioning appropriately. When the temperature was flagged as a potential prob i checked with 2 thermometers and noted it at 85 degrees. I believe that to be too hot for my wild caughts. Yes i agree that you need to be very prudent when it comes to medicating. BTW her breathing is at least 1/2 as bad as before the temp change. Thanks all


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