What are you feeding YOUR fish?!

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xEchOx said:
Lets not get too out of hand here guys I'd like to keep to informed posts and questions. I'm not looking for jabs or undertone in your posts. I actually really want to know... none of you think that Ethoxyquin is a threat? Not even a little?

Remember, just because a fish is colorful and beautiful doesn't mean that it's immune to cancer or liver disease.
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I'd like to know too. I think I may have misread your question. I'll defer to the experts on this question. :popcorn:
 
Lets not even worry about color. I only mentioned that as a tip of the hat to RD for convincing me to try NLS. Color is one one indicator of health and its not a wholly inclusive one by any means. To xechox, I did ask earlier about the source you cited saying that ethoxyquin is toxic and I dont see anything here besides a quote from someone on another forum.

Im not sure about where ethoxyquin itself improves fish health, but as a perservative it will maintain the integrity of the nutritional value of the food itself by preventing it from breaking down on the chemical level before consumption. In that way, it can indirectly improve a fish's health.
 
I can turn this statement right around and say the same exact thing - You seldom see all the facts and data and only the snippets that support the view of those (NLS) posting the information. Where are these studies reporting that Ethoxyquin works the same way Vitamin A does? Are there studies Actual studies showing that ethoxyquin is harmless? And if so, in what amounts? And if there is an acceptable amount, why is the amount not listed on the ingredients lists?

I'll concede that Ethoxyquins effects must be either one of two things: dose is minimal. Even in the presence of tumors, and (theoretical) cancer it takes years for these symptoms to develop OR we simply don't keep our fish alive long enough for the effects to take hold. Lets face it, even among the informed few can say that Nitrate toxicity is not a factor in their fishes longevity. At the moment I'm inclined to lean towards the latter.

I'll say it again, find me a reputable unbiased source, study that proves that Ethoxyquin improves fish health.
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Just so there's no misunderstanding, I am not speaking here on behalf of NLS, or any other brand of fish food.

My comments in this discussion are in defense of a product that has been safely & successfully used in animal feed since the 1960's. Fish that have lived 20, 30, some 40+ years have spent their entire life consuming this substance on a daily basis, with no known health issues.

Where are these studies reporting that Ethoxyquin works the same way Vitamin A does?
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You asked the question:
How can Ethoxyquin both "improve fish health" and be toxic at the same time?
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I simply answered it, to which Tom just responded in more detail, and he was spot on in his response.

.......but as a perservative it will maintain the integrity of the nutritional value of the food itself by preventing it from breaking down on the chemical level before consumption. In that way, it can indirectly improve a fish's health.
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Vitamin A works in the same way, as at approved levels it will enhance the health of a fish, at extreme levels it can kill a fish. So both can "improve fish health" and yet still be toxic.


xechox ..... making any sense to you yet?


This isn't my first rodeo when it comes to the subject of ethoxyquin, I not only keep fish, I have also owned dogs my entire life and I consider myself very well versed on this subject.

I didn't just read a blog or two on the interweb & jump to conclusions, I have actually read all of the papers & studies that are commonly referred to regarding this subject & based my decision on years of research and practical application, and a little dose of common sense.
 
F1 VET said:
Maybe all the stunner fish on here with great health and colors like my own and crimson's! Fish speak for themselves!

Man your here so much why not read once in awhile? don't you have overstocked tanks to do wc on anyways? Or cat litter to change?



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You expecting me to reply? I'm not answering any off-topic questions. You seem to derail just about every other thread. Actually 100% of threads where I post and then you make a reply in which the reply is always giving some completely inaccurate opinion about me.

I post less than you every day. Maybe u should post a lil' less and do a bit more maintnence. After all, what do you know about my maintenance schedule? Maybe I've been doing waterchanges every 30 minutes for the past few days and I've cleaned my catboxes 3 times today. Just pointing out that you shouldn't talk about peoples personal life when you live halfway across the world. And you don't even know me. Personally.

Oh and if you reply to this I can already guarantee you I'm not going to reply back. So don't ask any questions.
 
F1 vet is so far above you in fish keeping and you still talk down on him like you have any idea what you're doing.

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F1 VET said:
Haha tom you my boy! Too funny!

99% of your posts I lol to death.

I mean seriously, who asks for proof that NLS is a good fish food? The proof is in the mfk fish and the product label!

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1st ty. For the shout out bro. Good to see my retarded humor isn't wasted.

2nd I don't think mrbigs can talk about detailing threads. F1 is my homie and he calls things like he sees them. I know the thread he is referring to and i thought it was funny.

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All my fish in the planted tank eat NLS 1mm pellets, my puffer eats mainly seafood and on occasion NLS pellets...

Never had any problems, even my old polleni who lived for 17 years was on a pellet diet only, but NLS only towards the last two years of his life...


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