What countries are Asian Arowanas still Illegal

[Chaitika]

Govt is not going to get into the business of trying to produce a tropical fish or even funding it. What would the fish farms in Florida think of that?

If someone is making an investment to produce something for profit, I think asian aros will be the last thing they would want to invest in. Huge capital output at the start and then wait at least 5 years for a pair to form and then to spawn. You would have been spending money on food, electricity, labour, water, and who knows what else during those start up years.

Businesses can only write off losses for a few years before the tax people come to see their books.

If I had the money to do it, why would I do it in the US when I could do it in asia for MUCH cheaper, especially labour? The largest market right now for asian aros is China and the second largest is Japan. Geographically speaking, asia is the place to set up a farm, and you don't have to get government to change laws to do it.

I think if it was going to happen, it would be a farm in Florida lobbying for the right to do it. They are doing good business as it is with the fish they produce already.

 

[Bderick67]

Again hypothetically speaking, if asian aros were allowed into the states for a breeding program is would only be done for "educational purposes" and likely would get a government grant. There no way they'll just let one individual bring them in to set up a monopoly and make money.

 

[sostoudt]

Dont really think obama would have the money to support another multi million dollar project with these economic conditions plus all the screw ups bush made that he has to fix up

lol you have no clue how businesses get started in the US. Not everything is government sponsored.

 

[krichardson]

read my comment again. CITES has certified breeders to sell the fish to countries that are part of CITES.
you couldnt be more wrong. like i said if you actually read my comment. the EPA bans the fish in the US, Not CITES. CITES allows its sale, thats why canada and the uk can have the fish.

if your trolling:
kid go somewhere else, as this topic has been trolled to death

ill be nice and not make fun of you any more, as ive misread comments before too. but try to research topics before debating or even trolling.

Oh you are so merciful to spare me any further ridicule.I read your post enough times already,I never said that CITES bans the fish in the US,it seems that you are the one who wants to argue without fully reading someones posts.I am not on here to troll or argue,I enjoy discussing my hobby with others here whether I agree with them or not and I dont get my feelings hurt in the process because it has been a long time since I have been a kid.

 

[Gshock]

lol you have no clue how businesses get started in the US. Not everything is government sponsored.

Thats how businesses are EVERYWHERE. Maybe you need to read, we were talking about a GOVERNMENT FUNDED program...

 

[Bderick67]

lol you have no clue how businesses get started in the US. Not everything is government sponsored.

Agreed, but I just don't see asians comming to america ans a business venture.

 

[ausarow]

maybe not but an asian worker that knows his stuff could work for american dollars. fish farms in florida would probably like to breed these. sounds like the money people would pay in the US for arowas could fund it. they have the farms already. theyd need the stock and know the triggers. wouldnt take five years if they had these things sussed, still it is hypothetical till its legal.. i dunno the written laws that fish farmers in US have to deal with but i found in AU everyone said oh no no one can get a license but once i began looking it is possible to apply for change. anyone know the finer details of the laws? there must be a fisheries act or similar? whats the wording in the wildlife/endangered law?

 

[Gshock]

maybe not but an asian worker that knows his stuff could work for american dollars. fish farms in florida would probably like to breed these. sounds like the money people would pay in the US for arowas could fund it. they have the farms already. theyd need the stock and know the triggers. wouldnt take five years if they had these things sussed, still it is hypothetical till its legal.. i dunno the written laws that fish farmers in US have to deal with but i found in AU everyone said oh no no one can get a license but once i began looking it is possible to apply for change. anyone know the finer details of the laws? there must be a fisheries act or similar? whats the wording in the wildlife/endangered law?

Would YOU put a couple thousand dollars down payment for a fish that MIGHT come in 5 to 10 years? didnt think so...

 

[ausarow]

yes i have done that. ever hear of investment? and years waiting for return..thats what happens every time a breeder puts aside ten percent of stock/ however i did slip in my wording. i meant the prices they sell for would cover the expenses once they know how to breed them.

 

[ausarow]

By the way, the way the government fisheries programs works here in australia are that often government will get some funding to do research and development of techniques to produce new species so that industry people can use that research and get a head start. they take on things that look most profitable. things like pearls and fast growing food fish for example. there are many other government grants for new ideas and these often contain a clause that the person getting the funds must disclose the things they learnt so that everyone can get benifit if they like from the tax dollars spent on the program..
if for example a fish farm does set up on this information and begins to produce stock then they have the right to sell that stock to customers before the government can sell any. other than that the government will put up a tender process to buy young fish.
sometimes you can get eggs or stock or even farm visits from government fisheries to help you. this is tax dollars working to ensure an industry can start. problem in australia in the past is they have often chosen species that do not hold enough promise and so people waste their money. with the money in arowana and the fact that growth has been good for the past ten years theres no doubt you could get investors in the US IF you could have them legalised to breed and most likley IF they would allow for the sale in the US. your then talking about five times the money per batch.
if the US allowed breeding to sell for export only it would be much less desirable, which is what i could apply to get here in australia but i dont see it being worth it when your competing against 300 dollar fish from asian farms, consdering the extra costs of intensive type production, getting the right water and much more expensive labour as well.
it will take a few things to happen before it gets of the ground in the USA.
the government will first have to allow breeding, and for the techniques to be identified so that investors arent so scared.

an example like australias fisheries development program is where malaysia fisheries got together and bred arowana in concrete tanks so that other people could do this as a rural industry. it wasnt so hard. but they had the climate triggers and their trained fisheries personel new their stuff well enough to have some sucess. we have a guy here in australia that could breed them for sure but he is not allowed to by our laws.

what i meant by the ten percent broodstock aside by fish farms in asia is that its a pretty standard thing to either buy big dollar stock and/or put aside young stock so that in many years time they have more breeders so output numbers for sale can grow. they could sell those for decent money but its done for expansion. every year i put aside broodstock ( non arowana) to replace the ones that get old and to try produce more next year.
i have no doubt at all that florida fish farms could breed these fish. experienced fish farmers know the triggers and the diets and have a good understanding of how to attempt to breed new species. often you will hear how no one is able to breed arowana and most times it is because people ( hobbysists or backyarders) dont really know all that much about what it required ( ive checked the forums over and most posters are clueless) as for the guys that do have a good idea on what it takes- it is unlikely that they have the big funds and or a farm let alone everything else. dont get me wrong, these fish are amongst the hardest to breed and that is why it isnt common at all but this isnt to say that it is impossible. dont believe everything you read on that.

you can recreate water, recreate lighting, feed them well enough, have enough mature pairs and fish farms have other things available that common people do not have access to. its a combination of having all the right things and simply those that tried and failed did not have all the right things. these are a species of fish that have evolved for such a long time with tight environmental parameters that it comes as no surprise that they arent being bred all over the world but in time this is going to come for sure. my call would be that within two to three years from the date the US allows breeding it will be achieved.