What countries are Asian Arowanas still Illegal
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I actually dont use painkillers because I cant remember the last time any pain or discomfort I was going through was unbearable enough for me to do so but a drug addict is going to have his pleasure no matter what I am going through.Its part of the FDA's job to determine what medication is addictive andwhat is not,just as it is the CITES organization's task to save and protect a species of fish that is in danger because some want to have them in their glass boxes at all costs.Bad comparison by the way.sostoudt;3419842; said:
it actually was a very good comparision, the black market for fish will be their for the fish no matter what, its just the honest people that miss out.krichardson;3419875; said:
and actually cites allows you to own the fish legally, if purchased from a cites recognized breeder, so you could say cites decided for controlled sale just like the FDA does for pain killers.
its actually the EPA that prevents the sale of any asian arowana, even those from cites breeding programs. and this is what people want the fish removed from. removing from EPA wouldnt effect the cites restrictions in place.
so to reinterate it was a very good comparision.
Well, honestly if there are little Wild Asain Aros, we should NOT take them just because they're pretty. If one used that same nonsensical ideal than I would love to have a pet Okapi because I think they're pretty. Or I'd love to have a pet Gibbon. However, in these cases both are endangered. Asian Aros are a Catch 22 you get an Asian Aro, but in return you degrade the wild population. Unless, Asain Aros are successfully CB commercially, I personaly don't think the US should lift the ban.
Also, Channa is a 100% different story. The US needs to lift the ban on all 2' and under sized Snakeheads. That or 1.) A proper Fish Keeping permit should be required. or 2.) Increase the price and decrease the input of all Channa to prevent a "Pacu" Situation from occuring. (oh look cool fish Cheap price...Too big now dump.... The "Pacu" Situation.
Also, Channa is a 100% different story. The US needs to lift the ban on all 2' and under sized Snakeheads. That or 1.) A proper Fish Keeping permit should be required. or 2.) Increase the price and decrease the input of all Channa to prevent a "Pacu" Situation from occuring. (oh look cool fish Cheap price...Too big now dump.... The "Pacu" Situation.
Gshock;3419744; said:
The people in Asia have to feed their breeding stock. They use ponds. Check out some of the projects some of the members of this site have tackled. Huge sums of money didn't stop these people. Besides these are valuable enough fish that a breeding operation could be cost effective. Nobody said these fish are like guppies, I just said there is no reason why success would only be possible in Asia.
To breed them elsewhere you'd need an INDOOR facility in order to recreate the conditions exactly as they are in asia, almost the same may still not work. Then you'd have to buy the aros themselves, according to companies a pond of 15 males and 15 females, and hopefully after an X number of years, a pair will form or if you're lucky, 2. How much would this indoor facility cost, how much would 30 mature asian arowanas cost, how much would a couple years' worth of food going to cost, how much would electricity bill be, how much would your hydro bill be, if you were you compare projects from MFKér's to this, would be comparing building a model car to an actual car. Im not saying MFKer's dont have extreme projects, but this would cost beyond that. If anyone has a couple million to spare, lets try it out. But until then, this will not happen. There's a lot on the line, and if it doesnt work after many years, I dont think investors will calmly brush it off and pretend they just kept 30 arowanas as a hobby. Yes, I agree, sucess can be possible anywhere, but theres the money factor involved. I just do not see this happening anytime soon, if ever.Schneider;3420250; said:
Gshock;3420336; said:
Is this a pair bonding species? Definiterly not a cichlid. I seriously doubt it would cost a couple of million to accomplish. Food tends to be cheaper per unit if you are willing to buy bulk. Asian breeders still use ponds which I am sure are drastically different than the natural habitat of this fish. Believe it or not, some people in this country actually generate theit own power. I think you just don't desire the US to compete with the Asian breeding farms. The best way to protect wild stocks is to produce captive bred stocks. Hawaii stays nice and warm all year. It is part of the US, so outdoor ponds may even be possible. Asian breeders had to take some of the risks you speak of. How did they afford to feed their fish? You seem to think the entire US is one giant freezer. I still think a breeding operation could be feasible and cost effective in the US.
few hundred thousand atleast for a facility, could save money plumbing it yourself. another hundred thousand for sizeable number of breeding stock. another hundred thousand to run the facility for a sometime until they breed. thats my guess.Schneider;3420410; said:
most business ventures probably require more money then you count on, so i would want some more money just incase. not undoable amount but it a significant investment.
