What do you believe is cruelty or abuse when it comes to fish?

[Karl K]

Ok first of all, I'm not dumb, I know clipping a bird isn't painful, but the bird also isn't getting the exercise and stimulation it needs when it's wings are clipped. Do you really think hopping from perch to perch in a cage is the same as flying every day? It honestly pisses me off that you're arguing with me, because I know what I'm talking about, I'm an experienced parrot handler AND I've done a multitude of parrot rescues/rehabilitations/rehomes. I've seen first hand parrots that have plucked all their feathers off, and some that have even resorted to mutilating their own skin because they weren't given proper mental and physical enrichment. It's freaking basic parrot care, it's not some PETA-esque idea.

Also, Spiff, I can see how you would think that since you don't have much bird experience but I've never had to chase a bird around the house to get it in a cage. The vast majority of parrots know the "Step up" command, and those that don't (in the case of when I had to rescue birds who were scared of humans), simply putting a few favorite treats in the cage was enough to lure them back in.

Wild Bill, you really need a reality check. There is a HUGE difference between concerned and loving pet owners, and militant/extremist animal groups. That's like comparing regular Muslims to Islamic extremists. Tell you what, you can go ahead and clip your bird, tattoo, poke, and pierce your fish, declaw your cat, etc. But don't you dare tell me I'm in the wrong for not mutilating my animals and attempting to change their natural behaviors. When we take in a pet it is OUR responsibility to ensure their well being, not our own selfish desires.

I agree.

 

[Karl K]

Which is why responsible people that keep parrots keep them in really big cages. Same with fish. Irresponsible people keep fish/birds in "cages" too small for them.
Any responsible parrot owner knows that you can't keep the parrot caged up 24/7 and you need to interact with it, A LOT. If you talk to your parrot and take it around the house with you...pretty much give it a lot of attention, the bird will thrive. Parrots in homes need attention more that the ability to fly. And anyone that had owned a parrot will tell you this. I agree that it sucks to keep the wings clipped. But if you have something big like a grey or amazon then the birds wings need to be clipped or it may hurt itself flying around your house. I personally would never keep a large parrot unless I built an aviary. My Quakers wings are not clipped. But that bird is tiny and has no problem navigating around the house.


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Mr.Quakers ? Thats an epic name Well, if you wanna keep the huge parrots like the grey or amazon, then you should make sure you meet the requirements to not clip there wings, or just stick with the Little Guys. Clipping the birds wings, is wrong, and ill stand by that.

 

[Karl K]

Angel it is not your fault we are brain washed from the time we start watching childhood movies. Then when we go to school it continues.
I would also say that you do not know me personally. It is not my intentions to pick on you I am saying the whole public is brain washed and it is time to put an end to it. You said you don't agree with testing cosmetics on animals who should they be tested on. would it be better a person receives a chemical burn from something than a mouse. You even are on the fence about drugs to save human lives.
I was only 10 years old when I got diabetes to me your fence sitting is a little harsh. How ever you are not the only person with these emotions and it is not your fault. The ideals of these groups have been spreading for over 50 years. The goal of these groups is to end animal ownership and give them equal rights to people.
I have not said you are one of these people and I believe you would very sad if you were forced to give up your parrot. The same goes for me. My life would be destroyed if forced to give up my animals and fish.my only goal is to get people to see how we are all being brain washed.

I think you need to relax now, im perfectly capable of deciding what is animal cruelty for my self, and i'm not brainwashed. Yes, im perfecticly ok with testing medicine on animals to save human Lifes. Testing Things like hairspray and weightloose pills on animals how ever, im not ok with but i see its the only way. (especially the wightloose pills, fat people to lazy to Loose weight, so they just eat pills...) You sound a Little like a conspiracy theorist?

 

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fat folks? ohh no you did not just go there did you? Any one seen my can of worms? ohh, it just got opened.

 

[Karl K]

fat folks? ohh no you did not just go there did you? Any one seen my can of worms? ohh, it just got opened.

I have nothing against fat people ! I just think that testing pills on animals, because some people are to lazy to loose weight, is wrong. But i guess i opened a can of Worms, lets try and close it before they all escape.

 

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I am not fat, roofer for 26 years, my wife is very heavy, hormone issue, we go to the Y , she eats like a rabbit i eat like a T-REX, conceder(sp) that can capped for us and all the read it.

 

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to admins, why the 30 min rule on edit?

 

[Karl K]

I am not fat, roofer for 26 years, my wife is very heavy, hormone issue, we go to the Y , she eats like a rabbit i eat like a T-REX, conceder(sp) that can capped for us and all the read it.

i dont understand your comment. Sorry if your offended.

 

[divemaster99]

How the h3ll did this thread start as fish abuse and turn into fights over obesity?!?! I turn my back away a day ago and it was still on animals in general and NOW we are all trying to start arguments.

i don't understand but whatever, I'll just leave the thread. Although I highly suggest we get back on topic before a mod comes along and closes this. Not trying to start anything with that so yeah...

 

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no offence taken, tried to edit, but 30 minutes had gone by, point i was trying to make is generalizations open a can of worms before my grammar took a dump.