What do you consider a QTed ray?
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Not if you have to orally dose according to body weight of the ray....LOL
There should be a course in Ray QT available to those that want to keep rays....
Am I the only one wondering what the hell I got myself into? I feel like I made my bed now I have to lay in it (go get a microscope, educate myself, and chase rays around my pond hoping I can catch them pooping)
There should be a course in Ray QT available to those that want to keep rays....
Am I the only one wondering what the hell I got myself into? I feel like I made my bed now I have to lay in it (go get a microscope, educate myself, and chase rays around my pond hoping I can catch them pooping)
Panacur is an mammal dewormer. I used them on my dogs. I am sure it's the same thing, but dosing may need to be clarify.
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Matt, Erica ?? Help...
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Matt, Erica ?? Help...
DB junkie;3067499; said:
Dont forget all the water changes, money spent, and time away from a normal life...lol
There is some really good advice on this thread. Q can get very involved if you want to take it to the Nth degree. Large facilities and displays have a lot more at risk so need to be much more diligent.
For me the first part of Q was to do nothing ( except normal husbandry) and observe them for a week. The single best indicator for a ray's health is whether or not it eats. For the hobbyist treating for every possible parasite is not very practical and could do more harm than good, for a healthy ray a parasite is not really a problem, so one piece of advice I would add here is.....
:when it comes to medicating....I.D.B.T.
If it ain't broke don't fix it!
For me the first part of Q was to do nothing ( except normal husbandry) and observe them for a week. The single best indicator for a ray's health is whether or not it eats. For the hobbyist treating for every possible parasite is not very practical and could do more harm than good, for a healthy ray a parasite is not really a problem, so one piece of advice I would add here is.....
:when it comes to medicating....I.D.B.T.
If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Gr8KarmaSF;3067522; said:Dont forget all the water changes, money spent, and time away from a normal life...lol
Stress, blood pressure medication, relationships..... LOL Deja Vu.
Yup rays are fun at first. Then they turn into a job that doesn't pay.
Only rays I'm interested in anymore is moRAYs.... LOL
I'd like to have a black ray someday but until I figure out how to properly care for my Marbles it's just NOT going to happen.....
Mine....
week one... feeding and water changes (unless ray is on death bed then i do prazi)
week 2 prazi first 3 days
week 3 prazi first 3 days
week 4 move to main tank or if fat start breaking to other foods pending on what i have it eating...
i have looked into a microscope but cost for a good used one is not friendly on the wallet... now that i have this professor i have been toying with idea of being more indepth on my note books..
Erica or Matt how many fecal samples do you guys screen per ray? 1 per week or multiples from each ray?
week one... feeding and water changes (unless ray is on death bed then i do prazi)
week 2 prazi first 3 days
week 3 prazi first 3 days
week 4 move to main tank or if fat start breaking to other foods pending on what i have it eating...
i have looked into a microscope but cost for a good used one is not friendly on the wallet... now that i have this professor i have been toying with idea of being more indepth on my note books..
Erica or Matt how many fecal samples do you guys screen per ray? 1 per week or multiples from each ray?
Nic;3068009; said:
If I can easily get an individual sample I will do so, but if I have a group that I'm keeping together I screen a group sample- so we're assuming that if one ray has a heavy nemotode load they probably all do, or at least probably will by the time the 3rd week together rolls around. If I had a ray I was particularly worried about I might try to get an individual sample from that animal. We also screen 3 samples, so it is likely that even if you have a group you wont be sampling from the same ray each time. In general, when we're Qing rays they are coming from a single source/vendor/institution. We do not watch the rays all day waiting for them to poop. I stop by periodically, especially about an hour or so after I feed. Ray poop holds together pretty well for a while (as long as they aren't packed in so tight that they break it up fast).
You might want to consider dosing the prazi 10-14 days apart. Prazi is usually used to treat flukes. The drug only effects the adult form of the parasite, but the eggs will remain. If you dose the second time at 10-14 days later (for tropical species) those eggs should have had sufficient time to hatch, but not enough time to lay new eggs.
I also agree with what David says- if you aren't seeing evidence of a problem, I'd be conservative about medicating (unless you have a big collection to worry about).
thats were me and david head butt ill use meds he wont and for the most part you shouldnt but im a stubborn italian... got 100 pages of well documented notes on rays and lots of meds... at the time i had a large collection of concern... i stick with one person when it comes to buying rays and thats mike @ h20 and ive never had a parasite problem or anything else.. this will be the same when i come back and purchace all new stuff this will be the same... but my Q will be more for breaking to new foods not parasites... do you have a link for pictures of the parasites from slides? or bacterial problems from scrapes? as far as bacteria from scrapes all i know is i get a phone call saying i got this problem this is what is recomended... i get no look or anything when i drop samples off to them at the school just a phone call
so captive bred rays, is there a chance that parasites etc... can be transfered to the pups via the mother ray?
