what is a "quality pellet"

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FSM;4028203; said:
These threads seem to be pretty much all the same. Basically all anecdotal testimonials and opinions.


I agree that's what most of these threads become, as is the unfortunate case with many questions posed on an open forum. Still, if you search a little you'll find some real science behind the arguments of some people.

I'm satisfied that there are really only about two truly premium brands, and even then one is better than the other.
 
In my years of fish keeping hikari has been the staple of most of fish. Next up is hi feng, a chinese company that makes some of the best color enhancing pellets on the market IMO. I just started using grand sumo red for my dovii he seems to like them. IMO omega one is one of the ****tiest foods available, great ingredients but fish that would eat literally anything wouldn't even look twice at omega one stuff.. nls was good but I didn't see any major improvement with growth or color. A lot of people like the stuff though.. but right now its hikkari massivore and grandsumo red...
 
RD.;4028064; said:
How do you reckon that the main ingredients are better than NLS?

IMO it's nothing more than a lower cost, lower quality knock off version of NLS. I'm certainly not saying that it's a horrible food, but won't find soybean meal, ground wheat, wheat middlings, or distillers dried grains with solubles (DDGS) in any NLS formulas.
Ing. are listed in order from most to least on the label.Nls third ing. is wheat flour. so i guess You will find alot of ground wheat in Nls. Don't get Me wrong it's top notch food but I still find it a notch below xtreme.
 
I use Slow sinking growth pellets from Ken's Fish.

55% Protein
15% fat
5% Fiber
10% Moisture
1.2% Phosphorus

I switched them from Cichlid Attack and have a bunch of that too, and still use it as well.

Also, to mix things up, I use Premeium Flake mix with spiriluna and garlic form Ken's Fish.
 
Next up is hi feng, a chinese company that makes some of the best color enhancing pellets on the market IMO.

It's Hai Feng, and they are based in Taiwan, not China. Very well known for containing sooooo much color enhancing agent, that it will turn a fish that is naturally yellow, unnaturally orange.
Main ingredient in many of their formulas that I've seen is ... wheat.



Ing. are listed in order from most to least on the label.Nls third ing. is wheat flour. so i guess You will find alot of ground wheat in Nls. Don't get Me wrong it's top notch food but I still find it a notch below xtreme.

A common mistake made by many hobbyists that don't understand how to properly dissect an ingredient list. Unless you are privy to the inclusion rate of each ingredient, your reasoning is full of more holes than swiss cheese. As an example, in a 2000 pound batch of food, let's assume that product A uses 150 lb's of krill meal, 150 lb's of generic fish meal, 100 lb's of herring meal, and 100 pounds of shrimp meal - (500 lb total)

Product B uses 375 lb's of krill meal, and 350 lb's of herring meal - (725 lb total)

The next ingredient listed by weight in both formulas is wheat flour (used as a binding agent) - how can you conclude by the fact that product B has only 2 ingredients pre the wheat flour listing, that it has more wheat flour in it than product A? The reality is, you can't.

What can be concluded from the label that you provided, is that Xtreme has not only wheat flour (as a binding agent) but also includes more wheat (ground wheat) as well as soybean meal, which quite frankly I personally refuse to feed to any fish that I own.

And FMS, while I see that you edited your earlier comment, there is a major difference between soybean meal, and soy isolate/concentrate. The former contains anti-nutritional factors and costs a fraction of what soy isolate costs, and isolate and/or concentrate do not contain any of the associated anti-nutritional factors found in soybean meal. Ultimately you can use a LOT less soy isolate/concentrate to get the same job done, it just costs a lot more.

"Soybean meal (SBM). Although SBM is already a part of some fish diets, its use is also limited. It's generally kept to less than 20 per cent of the feed because at higher levels, fish reduce food intake, and their growth slows. High levels of SBM also damage the animals' intestinal cells. Bureau believes those effects may be caused by the presence of naturally occurring compounds called saponins in the SBM. He's monitoring fish fed a diet high in soya saponin to evaluate the exact effects; if saponins are proven responsible for the problems, he believes geneticists may be able to breed soybeans with little or no saponins that could be used to develop feeds. A soybean concentrate that does not include saponins and is eaten more readily by fish already exists, but the cost of the extraction process makes it quite expensive. Bureau is looking at the effects of saponins on fish growth, energy use, digestion of nutrients and intestinal membrane physiology."

http://www.uoguelph.ca/research/publications/Assets/HTML_MAGS/oasis/nutrition3.html


That being said, now that New Life is manufacturing their own food on site, even soy isolate is going to be removed from all of their formulas.
There are better ways to get the job done, and I commend Pablo for taking yet another step to improve the quality of his products.
 
Every post you make Neil makes me feel great about what I feed my fish even though they probably eat better than me. I feed NLS I believe it is the best food on the market.
 
cepon - no, it wasn't an insult at all. I was simply pointing out that if one wants a fish to be red, it's quite easy by simply loading up a food with certain color enhancing agents.

As an example, foods that use large inclusion rates of synthetic color enhancing agents (such as Carophyll Pink) can definitely alter a fishes natural coloration, turning a fish that is naturally yellow, to an unnatural orange. Or a fish that is pinkish, to a deep red. It all depends on how much is added to the feed, you just have to pick a number from the slick little color chart & dial in the amount of color that you are seeking.

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Not saying that's the case with Hai Feng, but astaxanthin can come in many forms, both natural, and synthetic, and the color red is one of the easiest colors to tweak in a fish via these types of color enhancing agents.

If that's the type of color enhancement that some hobbyists seek, that's fine by me, but personally I prefer my fish that are naturally yellow, white, etc, to remain that way.
 
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