what is this hybrid? was told flwr x parrot
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okay so species only tank! i think the tank is going to be a 65... just need to know where to get 'um
Zfishies;4456579; said:
Craiglist in your area is the best place to start off with. You can join flowerhorncraze and I'm sure a lot of people there will know which direction to point you to.
That was exactly my point....the person that bred the fish decides what it is. There is no test etc to decide which grade the fish is. THE BREEDER decides what grade and what price.
No that is NOT what I am saying....I am saying you can get a kirrin, a bonsai FH and a regular FH from the SAME batch of fry, regardless of what the parents were! Tell me you haven't seen that happen?
If I buy a masterpeice and breed him with a kkp I might get more masterpeice fry, kirrin's, parrots or I might get total crap! If I buy a low grade FH and breed him to the right kkp I could get masterpeice fry, kirrin's, parrots or total crap! I know that a lot of selective breeding goes into making a high quality Fh but that does not change this fact.
And to use YOUR words...There is no test to decide what grade they are...we the people decide! That means that anyone can call their fish anything they want to and sell it for any price.
What if the fish in this thread was bred to a kkp? What are the fry called? Depends on what they look like right?
izzy_here;4457527; said:
If you actually know the difference of certain quality from fish to fish, you can very much avoid being swindle. If your just going to take what the breeder grades it, then you must got a ton of money in your pocket to spend in the hobby.
I have seen that happen, but what does that tell me? Nothing. What's your point in this? Sure they can call it whatever they want, but seriously. Who really takes these fish and do DNA testing them? All in all, they are from the same parenting or what not. But to keep it steady, you would need to do selective breeding. I will guarantee you that selective breeding will avoid getting all sorts of fish in 1 batch. That is the whole purpose of selective breeding, to select and breed what you want. Not just breed anything and get all kinds of mutt. So is there a pattern or recipe to create what you want? Most definitely...
Overall, if you don't know what is poor quality to a master piece quality. Then now it is a good to start researching them and view over thousands of different quality of fish in person, not online. It will bring a broader spectrum of quality into your knowledge than viewing them online. And as I have said, if you can't tell the quality of the fish and just take it as they say. Then you must got a hell of a lot of money in your pocket. So what is your point in this?
we could sit and argue the rest all day long...but that was my orginal point.
The only reason it even bothered me was that YOU decided it wasn't a bonsai FH. How did you come to that conclusion? It does not have a parrot mouth or parrot head. It has a very round body etc. I've seen SB fh that looked virtually identical to it. So again I ask...how did you decide this?
I have a female kirrin and it's body looks nothing like this fish at all.
The only reason it even bothered me was that YOU decided it wasn't a bonsai FH. How did you come to that conclusion? It does not have a parrot mouth or parrot head. It has a very round body etc. I've seen SB fh that looked virtually identical to it. So again I ask...how did you decide this?
I have a female kirrin and it's body looks nothing like this fish at all.
izzy_here;4457546; said:
Of course you can get all types from time to time breeding if the genes decides to come out like that. But seriously, do you really think that you will get a whole bunch of FH, kirrin/killin, and bonsai when you cross a FH with a BP or KKP? I got 3 buddies right now that bred their Kamfa with a high quality KKP, not a single one came out bonsai or kirrin. What does this explain? Nothing still right? All in all, yes they can come out with varieties in 1 batch. But no, they will not come out with all varieties most of the time. If you want certain thing, then you better do some selective breeding.
So if that is your point, then whats the point bringing out about the quality goes by what the breeder says? And yet again, if you only judge the quality as what the breeder tells you. It's not going to save your money very much in this hobby.
FYI - KKP/Mammon/BP flows strong in the FH strain. Therefore to really have a bonsai or kirrin, it would take more effort than just mixing those 2 to keep a steady strain. The reason why a lot of pro breeders(I'm by no means a pro, but I do know a few process of how it's done) can mix a FH x KKP and they wouldn't get any bonsai or kirrin is because of selective breeding(and selective breeding means you need to know your fish background). But the first few generations of breeding, you will get all sorts of varieties. I think this is where your seeing from batches that comes out all in 1.
izzy_here;4457549; said:
Go back to page 5 and read what it posted. I stated clearly that it is a fader bonsai.
