Whats wrong with dinosaur reconstruction?

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I show you why i think Spinosaurus had a muscular hump and no sail. Look at Spinosaurus spines:

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They are very broad and thick and resemble those of a Bison.

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Now let us look of animals who actually had a sail, like the pecylosaur Dimetrodon:
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It looks very similar to those of the Basilisk:
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Sorry but I am not fell for the hump theory as like I said the hump doesn't fit the skeleton structure, environment, prey items, lifestyle etc...it just doesn't makes any sense to have a hump when Spinosaurus was semi-aquatic and its environment was swampy that hold huge populations of fish and giant crocodillian species.
 
I show you why i think Spinosaurus had a muscular hump and no sail. Look at Spinosaurus spines:

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They are very broad and thick and resemble those of a Bison.

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Now let us look of animals who actually had a sail, like the pecylosaur Dimetrodon:
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It looks very similar to those of the Basilisk:
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Still looks thin and long spines to me when compared spinosaurus to that anicent bison.
 
Then we can agree to disagree, right?

Maybe it was a mixture of both? Since other Spinosaurids also had massive spines but by far not in the size of Spinosaurus. They clearly had a muscular hump. Maybe Spino also had a hump and a sail attached on the top?
 
Im with MN still. When you compare the length, thickness and structure of the spines, I still dont see tthem as being similar to the bisons. Let alone the issues such as lifestyle etc. Im not sure it was some paper thin sail(though the reasoning is a good one) I dont think it was some thick hump that housed some huge muscles.

For all we know it could have been a simple bony ridge. Muscle and fat a bit up, with the bones protruding covered in flesh. Possible display? Who knows, pure conjecture.
 
pure conjecture.

Exactly.

To the OP's Thread Title - "Whats wrong with dinosaur reconstruction?" the thing that's wrong with it, is its not science. Its guess work, so no matter how much more we think we know now, until we build a time-machine and go back to autopsy a fresh kill...
 
Im with MN still. When you compare the length, thickness and structure of the spines, I still dont see tthem as being similar to the bisons. Let alone the issues such as lifestyle etc. Im not sure it was some paper thin sail(though the reasoning is a good one) I dont think it was some thick hump that housed some huge muscles.

For all we know it could have been a simple bony ridge. Muscle and fat a bit up, with the bones protruding covered in flesh. Possible display? Who knows, pure conjecture.
that what you say is the hump theory in other words. ;)
 
that what you say is the hump theory in other words. ;)

No actually it is not. Im saying for all we know it could have had the bones protruding from his flesh, not that he had some big muscle filled hump. Sorta inbetween. Nice try though.
 
Thats whats the hump theory says:
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As you see, its a massive structure. Not some skinny thin sail.

I definitely see your point as far as the spines being different from dimetrodon but still as I said they found proof of large blood vessels in the spines,suggesting some form of thermo regulation. It was German paleontologist Ernst Stromer in 1915 who found the first Spino and speculated the hump theory. The remains where lost during World War II though unfortunately. By the way am I being ignored because I'm the only one actually citing stuff as well as suggesting a practical logical function for the sail theory?lol!

The most recent theory is the sail theory and as I said it was given rise to by the discovery of large blood vessels in the spines. Blood vessels suggest either some form of thermoregulation or a muscle group, definitely not a fat deposit. I'm also the only one to suggest a practical function of a sail rather than a hump.

Think about it if the hump contained muscle what was it's function? As mentioned earlier the Bison spines where behind the neck at the shoulders. They helped support the neck muscle and create a foundation for plowing through things and possibly for courtship combat between two males. While in Spino they're highest at the center of the back which would support what if they where covered in muscle? In no way would it help support the neck for swimming as you suggested earlier Darius. You've yet in my opinion to explain a possible function for a hump. And with all animals function usually denotes form.

Again I think for perhaps the third time I offer up a sail form used for display for courtship and as thermoregulation. The large blood vessels would help with the transfer of energy or dissapation of it, in this case heat. I went through a long explanation before explaining how it would work and why. I'll try here again as it seems to have been ignored and not rebutted. It's simple more surface area means something can be heated or cooled at a faster rate. Spinosaurus is the largest carnivore and as such would benefit from a sail whether he was endo or ectothermic. Dwarfing T rex by 2 tons it would take a significant amount of energy to move such an animal. The larger the animal the more exertion required for it's metabolism the more heat produced during physical activity. So if Spino's where ectothermic they would use the sail to absorb the heat from the sun and speed up their metabolism much like a basking lizard. Except due to their large size perhaps they needed the aid of the sail to increase the efficiency of their basking. If they where endothermic then the sail could conversely be used to cool the body. Same principal just the sail would be turned into the wind and speed up the cooling effect if the Spino retreated to the shade. Also the sail would be helpful in the water much like a dorsal fin. Spino's where supposedly just as comfortable on land as in the water, so a sail would also serve a function there.

Also one more point going back to the Basilisk comparison. If you look at the structure of the Basilisk's sail it's actually exactly like Spinosaurs. Look up their skeleton, the placement of the spines is exactly like Spino's in placement and shape. Their spines are short and broad. The Basilisk uses it for 2 things balance when running on water(hence them sometimes being called the Jesus lizard) and for added agility when swimming in the water. The sail adds extra propulsion and allows for quick direction changes. If you've ever seen a Basilisk swim you'd see exactly what I'm talking about. As you suggested Darius, perhaps Spino's fed on fish and in that case the added agility would come in handy for catching fish. That's why I'm leaning toward them having sails.

Can I ask what function you think the hump would have played?
 
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