What's wrong with hybrids?

[woofy]

Theres nothing wrong with hybrids that are clearly labled and known as hybrids, ex: blood parrots, flowerhorns ect. Its when there weird mixes that are sold without labels and are made to pass as super desirable so everyone wants one and people buy the fry and grow them out and keep the process going. If every lfs took in hybrid fry and sold them as pure it would make so that the standard of a pure fish gets lost, and th prestige of owning and raising a pure fish like a jackdempsey gets shoved aside becuase now the hybrid owners will think they have the true jackdempsey but they really have a hybrid. Anything labeld jack demspey will be called a jack dempsey and considered one, even if it has none of the fishes original traits.

 

[dogofwar]

Isn't the issue mis-labeling vs. the existence of hybrids?

I've bought plenty of fry of (presumably) wild-type stuff that ended up being something else.

What's wrong with hybrids is that some people don't like them. Which is a matter of one person's taste vs. another person's taste.

Too many people translate taste into value judgements.

I agree that mislabeling of hybrids is an issue. Especially with fry.

 

[woofy]

ive had the same problem...still do, i have three fish in my tank right now that were sold as one thing but who knows what its a hyrbid of. So ive had the issue where beucase i dont know whats a hybrid off and it can be many things i dont know if the care im giving it adequate or not, diet, space and compatibilty wise.

 

[Cichlaholics Anonymous]

It isn't just about taste, because the problem is with many in the hobby and tropical fish industry don't have any consideration for the conservation of species, in regards to maintaining some sort of purity. I've come to accept things like flowerhorns because there is some general standard, my problem is the reckless breeding of fish that produce hybrids just because the hybrid offspring look "cool" or are an uncommon mix.

 

[NotoriousSway]

I've come to accept things like flowerhorns because there is some general standard, my problem is the reckless breeding of fish that produce hybrids just because the hybrid offspring look "cool" or are an uncommon mix.

Arn't you contradicting yourself when you say that? Isn't a flowerhorn a hodge podge of CA/SA to make offspring the look "Cool"?

I'm with rallysman:

Forget purity, promote honesty!

 

[Cichlaholics Anonymous]

Arn't you contradicting yourself when you say that? Isn't a flowerhorn a hodge podge of CA/SA to make offspring the look "Cool"?

I'm with rallysman:

high quality flowerhorns still are at least at some standard of what they are supposed to look like. Obviously their genetic background is a little bit of everything, I'm not saying it isn't.

The whole "cool" aspect is in reference to people who will spread around hybrid fry of any random mix of fish. I'm saying people should cull fish that down the line could become mixed into pure fish. For example, someone crosses a midas with a snook and distributes fry around to people who though it might "look cool" , and at some point one of those eventually breeds with a midas and eventually down the line someone trades them to a fish store as Midas.

 

[Fry]

Too many people translate taste into value judgements.

The problem is not the existence of hybrids but the consequences of their existence if fishkeepers are not careful and responsible.

 

[NotoriousSway]

The whole "cool" aspect is in reference to people who will spread around hybrid fry of any random mix of fish. I'm saying people should cull fish that down the line could become mixed into pure fish. For example, someone crosses a midas with a snook and distributes fry around to people who though it might "look cool" , and at some point one of those eventually breeds with a midas and eventually down the line someone trades them to a fish store as Midas.

Ahh...Yes, I agree with you completely in that aspect. Thats why we should promote awareness and honesty.

 

[Andrewtfw]

I was at a recent CCA meet where it was stated that the common covict which many fishkeepers own is more likey not a pure fish, but rather a combination of up to four convict-type fish. That would make the typical convict most likey a hybrid. How many "responsible" fishkeepers have traded their convict fry to lfs or to friends, who then bred them with their own convict fry? Would this not then further dilute the strain? If it were not for hybrids we would not have most dogs or cats. Responsibility falls on the breeder, seller and keeper.

 

[Fry]

I was at a recent CCA meet where it was stated that the common covict which many fishkeepers own is more likey not a pure fish, but rather a combination of up to four convict-type fish. That would make the typical convict most likey a hybrid. How many "responsible" fishkeepers have traded their convict fry to lfs or to friends, who then bred them with their own convict fry? Would this not then further dilute the strain? If it were not for hybrids we would not have most dogs or cats. Responsibility falls on the breeder, seller and keeper.

All dogs are the same species and all house cats are the same species. There is no such thing as a hybrid in cats and dogs, only mutts - similar to an interracial person. The fish hybrids we're talking about are different species, similar to a mule - hybrid of a horse and an ass.

As for convicts, if what you say is true then the hypothetical friend's convicts and the LFS's convicts are most likely hybrids already and the bloodline wouldn't be diluted any further. And if someone had gone through the trouble to obtain a pure bred species of Archocentrus, I'm sure he wouldn't trust anyone's home bred Archocentrus to produce a pure breed with his.