Whats Wrong With This???

[AQUATiC213ZOMBiE]

GEEZ!! Everyone just tell him he can do it. Obviously, he's done zero research since he's planning to mix softwater and hardwater species together. Not to mention that no matter the filtration, that many predators (15 that will approach and pass the 2 foot mark) will result in the rays suffering from bad water quality at some point. And, I don't mean from lack of maintenance. I mean all that's needed is one of those preds to throw up a partially digested meal to send that already heavy bioload into havoc.

Mhmmm.

i appreciate the hardcore answer Oddball.
Since all this is said, i can research more and find my faults.

like i said, i still consider myself a noob.
and this is an idea man~ hypothetical.

so i want to hear whats wrong with it.
and learn.

thats all.
im young and filled with crazy ideas.

and im posting this on MFk because you guys are great fish keepers.
so thanks. hahah.
i guess...

 

[AQUATiC213ZOMBiE]

answer the questions.

 

[Oddball]

Hey Guys~

Once again, i am in need of your Professional OPiNiONS~

this is purely hypothetical.
i dont want to hear about illegal this and that.

i just want to know if the set-up of tank size, filtration, number of fish, and kinds of fish will work together well.



a 300 gallon acrylic bow front tank. 96x30x24 [dimensions]
with a 300 gallon wet/dry filter.
and an EXTRA OVERFiLTRATiON of 400 g. [Fluval FX5]

now for the fishes.

3x New Guinea Datnoids
3x Widebar Pulcher Datnoids
3x iNdonesian Datnoids
3x African Tiger Fishes [is 3 good? or 1 better?]
2x Motoro Sting Rays
2x Delhezi Bichirs
1x Lecharti Aro/African Aro [i cant decide]
3-5x Clown Loaches [too many?]

From that list, the two species that don't belong are the rays and clown loaches. Although, with pristine conditions, the loaches may tolerate alkaline conditions. These large preds do better at temps just under that which rays find comfortable. While the dats, ATF, and aro will tolerate higher temps, the liklihood of fouling the system through increased metabolic rates and increased incidents of regurgitation will add major difficulties in maintaining good water quality.
I realize the fish will be small upon purchase and species, like dats, are slow growing. However, the nature of their eating habits make these fish difficult to judge as far as maintenace requirements are concerned. My dats routinely swallow and spit out their food until they feel it's just right to keep down. Every time they do this, they spit up digestive enzymes that affect the overall system. Since I keep just a few fish per large tank and large filtration system, my systems can take it. But, even in a 300, this total list will certainly strain the limits of the filtration system.
Adding a refugium and/or a FBF will help the filtration already planned. Along with stringent adherence to proper water changes, the alkaline species should grow up just fine. But, save the rays and loaches for an acid/softwater setup.

 

[AQUATiC213ZOMBiE]

From that list, the two species that don't belong are the rays and clown loaches. Although, with pristine conditions, the loaches may tolerate alkaline conditions. These large preds do better at temps just under that which rays find comfortable. While the dats, ATF, and aro will tolerate higher temps, the liklihood of fouling the system through increased metabolic rates and increased incidents of regurgitation will add major difficulties in maintaining good water quality.
I realize the fish will be small upon purchase and species, like dats, are slow growing. However, the nature of their eating habits make these fish difficult to judge as far as maintenace requirements are concerned. My dats routinely swallow and spit out their food until they feel it's just right to keep down. Every time they do this, they spit up digestive enzymes that affect the overall system. Since I keep just a few fish per large tank and large filtration system, my systems can take it. But, even in a 300, this total list will certainly strain the limits of the filtration system.
Adding a refugium and/or a FBF will help the filtration already planned. Along with stringent adherence to proper water changes, the alkaline species should grow up just fine. But, save the rays and loaches for an acid/softwater setup.

jyeah!

thats what im talking bout.

teach me!!! hahahaa.

wow... dats throw up and eat it again?
i've only seen my wides do that once or twice.
never knew it was routine~

ok.
so say i take out the rays, and clown loaches...
and keep only 1 ATF.
how about keeping an aro? [lecharti or african]

3x Wide
3x iNdo
3x NGT
2x Delhezi Bichirs
1x ATF
1x Aro?

and also~
could atleast 1 Motoro be happy with them?
or is it as you said, about the temperature?
and Dats throwing up that'll mess up the water.

 

[Oddball]

Sorry, you'll never get a recommendation, from me, to mix hard alkaline species with any SA riverine ray.
As to the aro, since you now have no bottom cleaners, I'd go with an african aro. Mine sifts the substrate for whatever tidbits he can find between feedings.

 

[AQUATiC213ZOMBiE]

Sorry, you'll never get a recommendation, from me, to mix hard alkaline species with any SA riverine ray.
As to the aro, since you now have no bottom cleaners, I'd go with an african aro. Mine sifts the substrate for whatever tidbits he can find between feedings.

cool cool.

so absolutely no ray with the set-up.
just wishing it would work hahaha.

dankz~

 

[abpositive]

DUDE~

i was asking for ppl to GIVE ME A BREAk before i even started this thread.

didnt i take enough measures to just get a response about the set-up?

i thought Chompers was a real cool member and would have understood what i was trying to get at. Bcuz of his past responses that were cool and helpful.

but in the end, he chose to bust my chops.
i wasnt pushing for illegal fishes man. nor the sale or buying of them.

"if its illegal~ its BAD." <--there. see im against illegal $h!t.

and all i wanted to know, is what was compatible or uncompatible~ would the RAYS not MIND the bichirs? or clown loaches. or whats a good substrate for rays? and no one answered my question about VAMPiRE TETRA. i even approached the thread by saying im just looking for your guys PROFESSIONAL OPiNiONS. not your PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON LEGAL RESTRiCTiONS.

I didn't see any "chop busting" I think you're over-reacting. It's not like he started yelling about owning illegals. All he asked was that you USE SOME DISCRETION AMD EDIT YOUR LOCATION.

No big deal. Please don't make it into one.

And as for the tank plans, I like it except for the plecs. I love common plecs BECAUSE they get big.
If I were you, I'd plan enough space for just one, and keep it. Mine are HUGE and stil eat algea along with their regular daily meal.
Good luck!

 

[T]

i say screw everyones opinons. i have a 100 gallon tank filled with widebars rays and laoches and atf and aorwana and blahb lahb lah i know filter not good enough and tank not big enough. doesnt matter looks good to me everyone needs to just relax and keep their fish alive.... and do it phil. ill be first over to check it out.

 

[rkc772]

i'll start with your tank.. the dimensions are good for now (you're ATF will be a concern)
i like you're idea on the filtration.. one Wet/Dry and one canister. you can literally leave the canister unopen for the next 4-6 months. I did this to my xp3 on the 60 gal. doesn't make a difference, just do your water change.

the selection of fish is great... you got a little more on the bottom dwellers since you got a big disc fish and for the bichir and clown loach.. they would be fine.

you got top swimmers, mid and bottom... you covered your area well.

your datnoids grow slow.. so it will take you years for it to grow to a 12" or max at 18". My only concern is the ATF... either the Datnoid will kill it (hopefully not). Mine was aggressive towards the ATF and decided to sell it out quick (the ATF was around 8" already).. sneaky datnoids!

If your datnoids are in a community tank already and you do not see an aggression then that's good. But still be cautious.

I would prefer to put sand with combination of black and white... maybe 4 to 1 ration.. make it darker and a little bit of white spots... looks more natural to me. (pm me i you need to some contact on sands.. i will direct you to a supplier-50lbs are around 16-17 dollars only!).

Driftwood are good for hidding... specially you have a wide variety of fish... and best of all, it makes the tank natural... get some hand drill.. and put some hole on the driftwood.. then buy some anubias or amazon sword plants and stick the roots into it. You might need some tie-wire (plastic).. buy the small one's from homedepot.. if you're goind towards my area i can give you a handful ( i just bought a 1000 pcs.-and i don't need a 1000 of them)

you must consider also the size of the driftwood.. your fish will get wide and you do not want it getting hurt.. just a suggestion.. maybe you can put one at each end then that will make the tank.

good luck and post some pictures when you're up and running it.

hopefully i covered all the question you wanted to know... but that is only my opinion.

 

[Tongue33]

I would go with lechardti, As Africans tend to be really hard for thoase that have never kept them EXPErIENCED or not to keep them alive ..