I have always heard that the lower the ph, the less toxic the ammonia levels are, but in turn if nitrites show up, they are more toxic in lower ph than in higher.jschall;3384102; said:
Where does nitrifying bacteria come from?
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I thoroughly disagree that this thread should've been moved to setup and filtration from general aquaria discussion B/C this IS general aquaria discussion. I'm not asking how to cycle or what to do to make bacteria thrive. I feel like this thread will get far less attention now since it is in a category that is to specific to get as many views. what is the definition of general aquaria? I always seem to have my threads moved from there when i post them in that part of the site. thanks
jschall;3384102; said:
While I have read some things that mildly conflict with a couple things here... it does sound like it is coming from an overall educated perspective...
I'd trust that information long before I trusted a bunch of speculation tossed around on an internet forum...
My girlfriend works in the Bio Lab at a local University and does research on fruit flies and bacteria professionally... she gave me some tips on ways to look some things up... and when time allows me to do the research, I'll share what I find...
I'll also share links where available...
Here is a link to Dr. Tim's website with some very technical articles regarding nitrifying bacteria http://www.drtimsaquatics.com/Library_Presentations/SciencePapers/SciencePapers.html
He appears to be well respected regarding his work with aquaria. There are also some other good articles on the site.
He appears to be well respected regarding his work with aquaria. There are also some other good articles on the site.
I hope I didn't stall this thread by posting the link above. I only did so because it gives peer reviewed articles regarding the science behind determining what nitrifying bacteria are actually present in our tanks.
I've been trying to find some additional info on the nitrifying bacteria that are present in our home aquaria that is easier to understand for the average person, such as myself. I haven't been very successful.
A lot of the studies regarding anaerobic bacteria were on wastewater treatment plants. So these findings regarding nitrifying bacteria have also been attributed to aquaria.
I don't know that it matters which bacteria is in our aquaria once the tank has been cycled and is considered healthy for supporting fish. It may be a concern if you are purchasing a product to 'cycle' your tank quickly, that may or may not have the 'correct' bacteria in it.
I've been trying to find some additional info on the nitrifying bacteria that are present in our home aquaria that is easier to understand for the average person, such as myself. I haven't been very successful.
A lot of the studies regarding anaerobic bacteria were on wastewater treatment plants. So these findings regarding nitrifying bacteria have also been attributed to aquaria.
I don't know that it matters which bacteria is in our aquaria once the tank has been cycled and is considered healthy for supporting fish. It may be a concern if you are purchasing a product to 'cycle' your tank quickly, that may or may not have the 'correct' bacteria in it.
Swede, I’m finding some information that seems to conflict with a lot of what your link is suggesting…
This link explains Heterotrophic Bacteria
http://www.bookrags.com/research/heterotrophic-bacteria-wmi/
It is suggesting any organism which ingests biomass (which I believe ammonia would qualify as) is heterotrophic… yet your article is suggesting our beneficial bacteria is autotrophic. But to my understanding if it is autotrophic then it would not ingest biomass, meaning it would not process ammonia.
The only way our Beneficial Bacteria could be Autotrophic would be if I am incorrect at believing that ammonia qualifies as Biomass… which of course is possible, but doesn’t make sense to me… If an heterotrophic animal (all animals are heterotrophic) incests organics (Biomass), processes it, then emits waste… how could that waste not be organic (Biomass)…
As I read articles discussing autotrophic vs. heterotrophic bacteria… I am finding that heterotrophs eat Biomass, or organic materials… Autotrophs photosynthesize and ingest minerals…
Provided this is true (which is confirmed in multiple articles) then our Beneficial Bacteria is hydrotropic, which is in complete contradiction with the article you posted…
Nitrosomonas europaea is one of the key forms of bacteria mentioned in the link provided by Deeda. Lookng it up on Wikipedia is a good read an includes the statement : “While not using photosynthesis for energy is not unique, "burning" ammonia with oxygen is. “ This statement indicates that Nitrosomonas europaea is heterotrophic…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrosomonas_europaea
Please do not read this as an “I’m right your wrong” post… as I didn’t know any of this stuff until I started reading articles. I’m just sharing what I’ve recently learned and holding it up to what you’ve recently learned…
This link explains Heterotrophic Bacteria
http://www.bookrags.com/research/heterotrophic-bacteria-wmi/
It is suggesting any organism which ingests biomass (which I believe ammonia would qualify as) is heterotrophic… yet your article is suggesting our beneficial bacteria is autotrophic. But to my understanding if it is autotrophic then it would not ingest biomass, meaning it would not process ammonia.
The only way our Beneficial Bacteria could be Autotrophic would be if I am incorrect at believing that ammonia qualifies as Biomass… which of course is possible, but doesn’t make sense to me… If an heterotrophic animal (all animals are heterotrophic) incests organics (Biomass), processes it, then emits waste… how could that waste not be organic (Biomass)…
As I read articles discussing autotrophic vs. heterotrophic bacteria… I am finding that heterotrophs eat Biomass, or organic materials… Autotrophs photosynthesize and ingest minerals…
Provided this is true (which is confirmed in multiple articles) then our Beneficial Bacteria is hydrotropic, which is in complete contradiction with the article you posted…
Nitrosomonas europaea is one of the key forms of bacteria mentioned in the link provided by Deeda. Lookng it up on Wikipedia is a good read an includes the statement : “While not using photosynthesis for energy is not unique, "burning" ammonia with oxygen is. “ This statement indicates that Nitrosomonas europaea is heterotrophic…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrosomonas_europaea
Please do not read this as an “I’m right your wrong” post… as I didn’t know any of this stuff until I started reading articles. I’m just sharing what I’ve recently learned and holding it up to what you’ve recently learned…
I didn't write the article so i'm not offended or anything like that. however i believe since ammonia would be inorganic, according to this definition http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G2-3409800051.html
they could be autotrophs. the articles i have read stated that depending upon whether the BB is breaking down either nitrites or ammonia.... they are broken down by different types of BB. so it is possible that BB that breaks down nitrite is heterotrophic and what breaks down ammonia would be autotrophic (just for an example)
they could be autotrophs. the articles i have read stated that depending upon whether the BB is breaking down either nitrites or ammonia.... they are broken down by different types of BB. so it is possible that BB that breaks down nitrite is heterotrophic and what breaks down ammonia would be autotrophic (just for an example)
bacteria are every where
they're here
they're there
they're even in your hair.
theres probably already bacteria in the empty tank. it probably in the gravel, its probably on your hands. they can even reproduce by spores so its probably in the air.
they're here
they're there
they're even in your hair.
theres probably already bacteria in the empty tank. it probably in the gravel, its probably on your hands. they can even reproduce by spores so its probably in the air.
Yup, I'm finding more detail that suggests that ammonia is inorganic, which still doesn't competely make sense in my mind... but that's my problem not ammonia's
