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[DB junkie]

you have proven that prazi doesnt work. stop it right now it will just surpress the rays appitite more.Go get some earthworms for some reason rays cannot resist.Just try pristine water no lights and lots of salt.I had a ray like you discribed probably in worse shape and i dipped him in pure salt water for a few minutes.the next day he ate pellets shrimp than i feed him worms now he is huge grown 2" in less than a month and is probably my best looking ray.

Yup and your saltwater dip also killed another member's ray.
I've watched Prazi save rays in my pond. If Prazi had ill effects I'd bet they would show in the Armatus long before the ray. I'm not new to raykeeping. I've killed my fair share, and even saved a few. The ray we are talking about eats just fine on Prazi, or at least did. He hasn't had any Prazi for a week and appetites worse now then it was with Prazi in the water. I highly doubt your ray looked worse then mine does as I've never seen one look as bad, but that's irrelevant. Water conditions are kept decent as stock is very light and waterchanges done every few days. The tank is 150 gallons without the sump and this 7 inch ray is the largest fish in there. Stock is a small Marble pup, a 6 inch Armatus and 3 4 inch Odoes. Salt is currently close to 3lbs/100 gallons. I don't make threads when my ray quits eating, I ask for help when all typical sick ray protocalls have been exhausted and proven ineffective. I isolated this ray from the others at 1st sign of diminished appetite 6 weeks ago, maybe even longer. Salt and dim tank have been the norm since day one of this. I've proven its obviously going to take more drastic measures to save this ray. The wasting away hasn't slowed at all and I'm going on 2 months here.

 

[Zoodiver]

I can't seem to find my FW ray tubing pics at the moment. I've got some specifically of motoro, menchacai, and otorongo.
These are of cownose rays, but you get the idea of what it all looks like coming together. One method is showing relaxed animals and manual restraining while I tube. The last pic is showing a move active (flapping) ray being safely restrained by a second net. (Flapping animals tend to hurt themselves, so finding a good way to protect them from themselves is a great idea.) I'd suggest a good soft mesh or rubber net to hold them in. I've found a lot of the nylon mesh nets really tear up the outside of the rays.

 

[CrAzYNeSs]

Holy crap... I guess I might need to recruit some help if I ever needed to force feed meds.

Awesome pictures, thanks!

 

[skynoch]

Great pics.

 

[calgaryflames]

Yup and your saltwater dip also killed another member's ray.
I've watched Prazi save rays in my pond. If Prazi had ill effects I'd bet they would show in the Armatus long before the ray. I'm not new to raykeeping. I've killed my fair share, and even saved a few. The ray we are talking about eats just fine on Prazi, or at least did. He hasn't had any Prazi for a week and appetites worse now then it was with Prazi in the water. I highly doubt your ray looked worse then mine does as I've never seen one look as bad, but that's irrelevant. Water conditions are kept decent as stock is very light and waterchanges done every few days. The tank is 150 gallons without the sump and this 7 inch ray is the largest fish in there. Stock is a small Marble pup, a 6 inch Armatus and 3 4 inch Odoes. Salt is currently close to 3lbs/100 gallons. I don't make threads when my ray quits eating, I ask for help when all typical sick ray protocalls have been exhausted and proven ineffective. I isolated this ray from the others at 1st sign of diminished appetite 6 weeks ago, maybe even longer. Salt and dim tank have been the norm since day one of this. I've proven its obviously going to take more drastic measures to save this ray. The wasting away hasn't slowed at all and I'm going on 2 months here.

"so you think prazi makes your ray eat" heres the picture of my ray before it was shipped to me.it also went on a 44 hour flight than had to become acclimated to my tank and our super hard water.I got the rays to eat first than feed them prazi in worms never medicating the tank he was in.may method did not kill another members ray he killed it.I did it to 3 others that all are doing very well. saltwater will not kill a ray in 10-15minutes

 

[calgaryflames]

here pictures of him 2 weeks ago he is even better now.i dipped him in salt water for 10 minutes or so than he started to eat,i got him on a earth worm diet and his size got bigger very quick.i dont think he needed prazi but i did feed him a few injected worms

 

[calgaryflames]

Originally Posted by DB junkie
"Yup and your saltwater dip also killed another member's ray"

and apparently freshwater fish do not migrate into salt water. according to the guy who killed his ray trying the salt bath for 15 minutes.

 

[Gshock]

Lets see what the posts have to say LOL

Hi guys some of you may have been reading some previous threads about my henlei.All is good i am posting a before picture and after picture.This particular male was 5 1/2" when i got him and very thin & weak.He was starting the death curl and against what most of you recommended i gave him a salinity shock or a salt bath for about 15 minutes.Within 12 hours of this salt bath he was eating everything in his path.

straight salt water i made it very salty both times i did this.Watch the ray the whole time just to make sure you dont kill it,the water has to be like salt water 10 minutes should do it than leave the lights off in the tank.I used a 5 gallon bucket and watched the whole time they didnt even seem to mind it.and these rays went straight back into the tank with other rays so it was competeing for food within a day or two.

Very salty, but HOW salty? Whats your salt to water ratio?

i just did a 3rd experiment.1/2 lbs of salt in 2 gallons of water.this time the ray freaked out unlike the previous 2 rays they were calm.i could only stand 4 minutes of it and put the ray back.he is breathing hard right now.i will observe him more and keep you updated.

(that adds up to 25 pounds salt : 100 gallons water if my math isnt wrong?)

So you basically just did a 25 pounds of salt per 100 gallon ratio, you went over the maximum recommended dose by 5 times LOL.

everytime

i think its when the salt leaves the rays system something occurs.In the wild fish go into saltwater to clean parasites off them also the same goes with saltwater fish they will swim into freshwater to clean off too.salt water wont kill your freshwater fish maybe if you leave them in for a long time but 5-15 minutes wont hurt

(Anyone see anything about migration?)

Im pretty sure they don't, freshwater stay in freshwater, saltwater stay in saltwater, except for some exceptions due to migration purposes which have nothing to do about cleaning themselves off or cleaning themselves of parasites. Water softner salt is COMPLETELY different from the salt in saltwater. Just to clear that up. You CANNOT keep saltwater fish in freshwater treated with water softner salt.

(Who doesn't think freshwater fish don't migrate into saltwater again?)


hmmmm, 1/2 pound salt in 2 gallons water, all in bucket and put right back into pure freshwater right after. i THINK i read correctly. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Who else want to try experiment? 25 pounds of salt in 100 gallons of water. 15 minute soak. Someone PLEASEEEE do it. Let me know your results LOL.

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[calgaryflames]

well i am 3/3 with this method you are 0/1 is it me or you.I had good results.
the tank was running with a small salinity level before the 2nd and 3rd ray i used this method on.and you probably didn't do everything exactly the same as me.

Stress from you being to rough netting him,did you have light blasted on him when you did this,what about after.Temp was it the same.I diluted the salt in a couple cups of boiling water so it mixed quicker than mixed it in 2 gallons of tank water.I also run way more than enough oxygen in my tank.

 

[Gshock]

well i am 3/3 with this method you are 0/1 is it me or you.I had good results.
the tank was running with a small salinity level before the 2nd and 3rd ray i used this method on.and you probably didn't do everything exactly the same as me.

Stress from you being to rough netting him,did you have light blasted on him when you did this,what about after.Temp was it the same.I diluted the salt in a couple cups of boiling water so it mixed quicker than mixed it in 2 gallons of tank water.I also run way more than enough oxygen in my tank.

If I read correctly you stated your tanks are COMPLETELY freshwater with NO traces of salt in it at all. Im pretty sure I read something on the first page that says the results were definitely faster becuase you switched them from very salty water to pure freshwater...

I didnt net him, i'm not stupid enough to, all it takes is 5 seconds with the bucket.

Obviously i didnt blast my lights...

well if the water is the same, im pretty sure the temp is the same...

I'm sort of the one who told you dissolve the salt first so its only natural i would do the same?

You run more oxygen than me? Don't kid yourself. My turnover rates would make you crap yourself. Theres enough oxygen for me to stick 10 more rays in each tank and still be good to go...

3/3 ay lol, im not the one asking for advice on how to use salt, and then a week later come back saying you used this method a month and a half ago and that my ray has grown 2 inches from that time LOL...who's really lying?