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What size tank is recommended for a male gt to be in with no other gt but a lot more fish ? Like a 180 you think
I think your about right there.Its all down to your personal view really.
Personally I would not be comfortable keeping a Gt in a 75. I think it's far too small and restrictive for such an energetic fish.
I used to keep mine in a 220 and after seeing them grow to adults and utilise all the space I would not personally house one in anything smaller.
There are no rules carved in stone when it comes to tank sizes,it's all down to opinion really.Hopefully your opinion will meet the fishes need for exercise stimulation and growth.
It's my view that 55 and 75 gallon tanks are only really suitable for dwarf cichlids.Thats just my opinion based on my own ethics.Im not saying I'm right or wrong but try to see it from the fishes perspective. Bigger is always better.
 
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Isn't this a bit hypocritical? I remember just yesterday you were in the thread regarding my old crowded 120g......how is this any better? Despite the fact that it's a very nice tank w/ healthy looking fish, ....with all due respect, that's WAY overstocked, am I wrong? And there's African cichlids too? What am I seeing there?
Lol Africans mixed with americans too?? Tut Tut Tut.

Stock as I say, not as I do.
 
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I think your about right there.Its all down to your personal view really.
Personally I would not be comfortable keeping a Gt in a 75. I think it's far too small and restrictive for such an energetic fish.
I used to keep mine in a 220 and after seeing them grow to adults and utilise all the space I would not personally house one in anything smaller.
There are no rules carved in stone when it comes to tank sizes,it's all down to opinion really.Hopefully your opinion will meet the fishes need for exercise stimulation and growth.
It's my view that 55 and 75 gallon tanks are only really suitable for dwarf cichlids.Thats just my opinion based on my own ethics.Im not saying I'm right or wrong but try to see it from the fishes perspective. Bigger is always better.
WOW.....I can't imagine dedicating a whole 75g for Dwarf cichlids.....how many would you do and what other fish would add to the tank? I have a pair of 2" Red Jewels (which are considered "dwarf" cichlids) in a 30g and the whole 36" tank looks soooooooo empty lol I just figured it would makes things easier to manage water quality when all those fry come along.

Lol Africans mixed with americans too?? Tut Tut Tut.

Stock as I say, not as I do.
There has to be some degree of hypocrisy i suppose otherwise a lot of bad advice would be given. I know a lot of people do it, but I think Rift Lake species look horribly out-of-place w/ CA/SA. If you wanna do some Jewels or Kribensis with the right mix of CA/SAs that share water parameters and temperaments, I don't picture a lot of people hating on it. IME, I have noticed a lot of the Africans are stupid-aggressive though so over the years, the Jewels are the only ones I would really say "go well with SA/CA"......they damn sure don't seem to go well with Rift Lake species usually.
 
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WOW.....I can't imagine dedicating a whole 75g for Dwarf cichlids.....how many would you do and what other fish would add to the tank? I have a pair of 2" Red Jewels (which are considered "dwarf" cichlids) in a 30g and the whole 36" tank looks soooooooo empty lol I just figured it would makes things easier to manage water quality when all those fry come along.
I think it depends on the species. For example my next tank is 4 foot by18 x24. I have not completely decided what to stock it with yet but one option is 6 Bolivian rams and 30 black neons.I don't think the tank would look empty but the fish would have a fair amount of space and water quality easy to maintain.
 
I have been keeping a single male GT as a center piece in a 75g for years with success. As long as the GT is the top fish and not picked on by more aggressive fish of comparable size, it works for me. I am not into bio type tank, and find mixing CA with rift lake cichlids perfect because their water quality requirements match. GT is SA from the Pacific rim requiring similar water chemistry as CA. Cichlids tend to be more aggressive towards its own or closely related species, so by being from different continents, American and African tolerate each other better. The mis match is behavior and size differences, which can be both the advantages and concern. My strategy is to keep single male of large Americans, single males of Haps, and breeding pairs or colony of smaller CA/SA and Tangs. With rock work, small Ca/SA and Tang will behave and breed naturally in the safety of rock caves. They may defend and attack larger tankmates but can't do harm because of their size, yet its fun to watch their natural behavior. Don't introduce female of large fish, GT or Haps as a breeding pair of GT will take up the whole tank, and breeding Haps are violent. Male Haps don't bond, only rape females violently, often after the females are done,and sometimes including male victims. My inclusion of male Haps is for the bright color, not for the behavior which stings. Egg laying Tangs are fine and they form interesting pair or colony bonding and it's fun to observe contrasting African behavior. But selection of Americans are limited by size and temperament. Some super large and aggressive CA such as RD, Faestae or Jaguar are out, but more mellow Viejas and Acara species work for me. All my show tanks are set up the same. I have breeding colony of Julie's in my 125, and breeding leulupi or daffodial in my 75, and occasionally I picked up fry from my breeding pairs of Crytoheros species, all in company with 9-14 inch single Americans.
 
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I have been keeping a single male GT as a center piece in a 75g for years with success. As long as the GT is the top fish and not picked on by more aggressive fish of comparable size, it works for me. I am not into bio type tank, and find mixing CA with rift lake cichlids perfect because their water quality requirements match. GT is SA from the Pacific rim requiring similar water chemistry as CA. Cichlids tend to be more aggressive towards its own or closely related species, so by being from different continents, American and African tolerate each other better. The mis match is behavior and size differences, which can be both the advantages and concern. My strategy is to keep single male of large Americans, single males of Haps, and breeding pairs or colony of smaller CA/SA and Tangs. With rock work, small Ca/SA and Tang will behave and breed naturally in the safety of rock caves. They may defend and attack larger tankmates but can't do harm because of their size, yet its fun to watch their natural behavior. Don't introduce female of large fish, GT or Haps as a breeding pair of GT will take up the whole tank, and breeding Haps are violent. Male Haps don't bond, only rape females violently, often after the females are done,and sometimes including male victims. My inclusion of male Haps is for the bright color, not for the behavior which stings. Egg laying Tangs are fine and they form interesting pair or colony bonding and it's fun to observe contrasting African behavior. But selection of Americans are limited by size and temperament. Some super large and aggressive CA such as RD, Faestae or Jaguar are out, but more mellow Viejas and Acara species work for me. All my show tanks are set up the same. I have breeding colony of Julie's in my 125, and breeding leulupi or daffodial in my 75, and occasionally I picked up fry from my breeding pairs of Crytoheros species, all in company with 9-14 inch single Americans.

....but the fact still remains, you were hating on me for my 120g and you're doing the exact same thing. You're stocked with different fish, but your 75g is just as overstocked as my 120g was.
 
....but the fact still remains, you were hating on me for my 120g and you're doing the exact same thing. You're stocked with different fish, but your 75g is just as overstocked as my 120g was.
I don't know what you are talking about nor have opinion or know what you stocked in your 120. I didn't overstock to reduce aggression. My tank just happened to be overstocked, but the fish are in harmony and have territories. I deslike many Malawian and some CA tank set up in which the fish are overstocked on purpose without territories to occupy, and the fish are constantly playing musical chair. My set up allow fish to behave naturally, and the smaller fish have territories and caves to claim and breed normally.
 
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I don't know what you are talking about nor have opinion or know what you stocked in your 120. I didn't overstock to reduce aggression. My tank just happened to be overstocked, but the fish are in harmony and have territories. I deslike many Malawian and some CA tank set up in which the fish are overstocked on purpose without territories to occupy, and the fish are constantly playing musical chair. My set up allow fish to behave naturally, and the smaller fish have territories and caves to claim and breed normally.
looked like you were hopping on the bandwagon....

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...salvini-tank-mates.680182/page-6#post-7650856

if not, don't sweat it
 
I think your about right there.Its all down to your personal view really.
Personally I would not be comfortable keeping a Gt in a 75. I think it's far too small and restrictive for such an energetic fish.
I used to keep mine in a 220 and after seeing them grow to adults and utilise all the space I would not personally house one in anything smaller.
There are no rules carved in stone when it comes to tank sizes,it's all down to opinion really.Hopefully your opinion will meet the fishes need for exercise stimulation and growth.
It's my view that 55 and 75 gallon tanks are only really suitable for dwarf cichlids.Thats just my opinion based on my own ethics.Im not saying I'm right or wrong but try to see it from the fishes perspective. Bigger is always better.
I agree that Green Terrors are very active fish and i wouldn't put it in anything smaller than 6ft tank. With my stock currently though I'd feel that the green terror would terrorize everything. I'll wait to dedicate a tank just for the green terror so I can get the most of it. And yes everyone has their own views and ethics of what to put in different size tanks
 
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I agree that Green Terrors are very active fish and i wouldn't put it in anything smaller than 6ft tank. With my stock currently though I'd feel that the green terror would terrorize everything. I'll wait to dedicate a tank just for the green terror so I can get the most of it. And yes everyone has their own views and ethics of what to put in different size tanks
That is not my experience. I am currently keeping a single male in a 75 in harmony with smaller tankmates, and have been doing it for over 10 years. I can't have more than one adult GT, either male or female for long without problem in a 4 ft tank. Even a 6 ft can have problem with two adult GT. Check out my old threads and YouTube on GT for proof. I am raising the 4th generation of GT. Perhaps my domesticate strain is exceptionally mellow.
 
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