Who actually knows everything??

[ballinouttacntrol]

I don't think any self respect individual will claim himself/herself knows everything.
in regards to your question about cohab of different species of piranhas, some has done it before for a good period of time but in majority it didn't work out. I think mostly is because of the lack of space due to the small tank size we have and the setup of the tank. the other reason why such cohab will most likely not work is due to the natural behaviors of the fish. Most serrasalmus are ambush predators in order to do so they need to be unseen, so any fish you place within it's territory will either be food or potential competitors or so kind of threat, so out of instinct it'll either try to eat them or drive them away or hide from them. with being in a small glass cage as compare to a great river most likely it'll result in the death of one of the fish you place in the tank, sometimes both due to stress. the people that had success in the past usually had a relatively big tank (the one I know of had a 300g tank) and proper setup (hiding place for each fish) and just right number of fish (so the tank isn't over stocked and each have their own space). of course the personality of each fish is important as well.
can cohab work for sure? certainly, if conditions are right. however, most of us cannot provide such condition; and I believe statistically most of the cohab attempts ended in failure. Unless you are very experienced and have the money to burn, you shouldn't attempt such cohab. even if you do decide to do so, should keep a close eye on them and have a separate tank ready just in case they start to attack each other.

Very nicely put. Cohabs and tankmates have always been a rather testy subject in this forum. You're better off just trying it, documenting it and showing your proof later because you'll get no support when attempting such an experiment. I've just come to accept it. If i had the money i'd still try it though.

 

[knifegill]

Actually, I know everything. Except for what not to say in a baited thread!

 

[Arok3000]

There are a few people in any forum that are quick to act like they know things. I see a lot of new people, myself included, ask questions only to be answered by people who "read somewhere" but dont really know. I love getting advise from people how ACTUALLY KNOW. A good example is the tank mate questions. A lot of people have fish living together that is totally down talked on because it is written that they shouldn't go together but when it is proven, they say"its luck and it shouldnt be tried". A good example is with piranhas, so many different types, who has actually kept them all mixed to actually know what wont work, and who just says it wont work?

Well, I have witnessed Serra's being very stressed when with Pygo's and agressive behavior between the two.

There is quite a lot of documentation out there that most of us don't have to try it to believe that it's a bad idea. Research tells me it's a bad idea to mingle Rhom's with Piraya's, I don't have to prove it for myself.

I have "read somewhere" that if you jump from a 400 foot building you're going to die when you hit the ground. I don't have to do it to ACTUALLY KNOW I will die.

 

[pyromaniac]

ive noticed that people who knows a lot usually dont go about talking big , boasting etc.its people that dont know much thinks they know everything.
the more you know,the more you realise how much there is yet to know

 

[Zander_The_RBP]

Way off point. He is simply saying that people with no first hand experience are giving answers and making statements regarding subjects they have only read about. It is true to some degree.

of course people with no first hand experience are giving answers! this is a forum isn't it ? not everyone here is a marine biologist and has a 500 gallon tank to try a cohab in like previously said i dont need to jump off a building to know it hurts research tells me it does. now that being said i do agree that in this forum specificaly there is alot of misinformation going around (specificaly regarding tankmates) i think regarding tankmates it all depends on the fish i have 5 convicts in with my 6 piranhas in a 150 gallon tank they've been in there for atleast 3 months with nothing more than some fin nips they actualy chase away the piranhas (a pair of cons even has some babies right now) there is also a pleco in there. what does this tell you my piranhas are very forgiving to tank mates others might not me this is especialy true when the tank mates are other piranhas from a different genus.


now 100gallons im going to apologize, you weren't acting like a smart @$$
i said it becuase in most of the threads about piranha tankmates ive seen some very knowledgable people answer(and yet some really stupid people also answer) and in my opinion you sounded like you were talking down to them. in this forum we have some real idiots(who im not going to mention by name here) and some true geniuses (Jp, Diogenes im looking at you) and many of us are still learning and i agree with you that many of the cohabs shouldn't be talked down to as much as they are but it always should merely be suggested that it may not work out, or be ready to separate them



oh and great answer JP

 

[Otherone]

Welcome to public forums - everyones got an opinion and some want to force feed that opinion on everyone - soapbox heroes.

Fact -Piranha have big boney sharp teeth and they eat fish flesh.

Reality -Pygos are schoaling fish while most Serras are solitary hunters - both are Cannibalistic.

Personal Observation -Large predators usually will not expend large amouts of energy persuing snack sized food especially when they are feed meals by humans however Piranhas are oppritunistic eaters and if a fish comes too close at a bad time - Bang! In the case of Shoals once one goes they all go. In a typical house hold aquarium a fish being attacked by Piranha have nowhere to run.

Personal Choice - I do not keep my 3 species of Piranha in the same tank. I have in the past and it cost me alot of wasted money as none survived.

Common Educated Sense -I do not keep other fish with my Piranha as I watch them eat fish flesh everyday. However one such senerio has me interiged - Neon Tetras. They may be too small for a large Piranha to catch and at a $1 a piece - well that's alot less risky and affordable than to have your favorite Green Terror chewed in half.

It's your fish, your money, your life, go for it and maybe someday you'll be the one on your Soapbox saying - "Piranha don't play nice with other fish."

 

[Jakob]

Well, somebody in each forum knows freakishly alot of somethings and always reply with good answers. For example:
Anne in the Polypterus lounge.
Koji in the Aro lounge.
Mike Dunagan in the African cichlid lounge.
Cichlidinsomaniac in the Ca/Sa cichlid lounge.
pufferpunk in the puffer lounge.
Vanimate in the Datnoid section.

 

[Diogenes]

this guy knows most of it if not "all" and we all asked him:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/piranha038/

then he took the time to write it down for us and cite references from actual scientific studies.

did you know that the earth was round? Seriously, I've never traveled all the way around it, but other people have. They said it was round. For some crazy reason I believe them.

 

[Diogenes]

of course people with no first hand experience are giving answers! this is a forum isn't it ? not everyone here is a marine biologist and has a 500 gallon tank to try a cohab in like previously said i dont need to jump off a building to know it hurts research tells me it does. now that being said i do agree that in this forum specificaly there is alot of misinformation going around (specificaly regarding tankmates) i think regarding tankmates it all depends on the fish i have 5 convicts in with my 6 piranhas in a 150 gallon tank they've been in there for atleast 3 months with nothing more than some fin nips they actualy chase away the piranhas (a pair of cons even has some babies right now) there is also a pleco in there. what does this tell you my piranhas are very forgiving to tank mates others might not me this is especialy true when the tank mates are other piranhas from a different genus.


now 100gallons im going to apologize, you weren't acting like a smart @$$
i said it becuase in most of the threads about piranha tankmates ive seen some very knowledgable people answer(and yet some really stupid people also answer) and in my opinion you sounded like you were talking down to them. in this forum we have some real idiots(who im not going to mention by name here) and some true geniuses (Jp, Diogenes im looking at you) and many of us are still learning and i agree with you that many of the cohabs shouldn't be talked down to as much as they are but it always should merely be suggested that it may not work out, or be ready to separate them



oh and great answer JP

thanks yo!

 

[assortedsorts]

Here is my cohab tank, in the 2-3 months it was going I lost 1 Zamora cat.
I recently sold the piranhas so needless to say it isn't running anymore
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Although that gourami, the raph cat and the black tetras lived with the piranhas their whole lives...I had them for something like 5 months+