Who said Gold Wolves could shoal?

[caribemob]

oh yea, and what size tank were they in?

They were in a 125 gal and they were only 2''s bro. the biggest one eat one and tore the other one up to death almost. the tank has 4 severums 3''s for dithers and they don't pay them no mind however , I was the first to buy 3 gold wolfs at 2''s from g at shark aquarium. I know all about wolfs and figured this would work but it didn't. People can take my advice or loose there money period. I give fish more room then most people, so the average 75gal is doomed. JME

 

[caribemob]

There is an image of a large number of them on the hunt in 'Below Water the Amazon'

Thats not in a tank though jelly, thats in the wild in a million gallon set up lol

 

[caribemob]

he prolly put 3 in a 20g tank..now his stupida** wondering why he only has one left...LOL

Look rookie I dont even have a 20 gallon bro i have nothing less then 4ft. are you kidding me Your biggest tank is a 75gal bro quit talking

 

[Crash607]

Look rookie I dont even have a 20 gallon bro i have nothing less then 4ft. are you kidding me Your biggest tank is a 75gal bro quit talking

Yea, I agree, that was out of line. Thanks for responding though. Hopefully mine will have a better outcome, there have been plenty of times that they just float next to eachother and don't move. On the other hand, my larger one will chase the other around the tank like nuts at times. I think theres too many factors that play into the aggressiveness of these fish to tell for sure whether or not they can be kept together.

 

[DarthRhom]

It's a great book but expensive, don't get me wrong it is worth it. Those DVD's look good. I may well get the 'Wolf Fish' and the 'Freshwater Natural Aquarium' DVD's.

I have the "Wolf Fish" vid. Very interesting. Swimming with golds, aimara fishing, etc. Expensive but I watch it at least every other month.

 

[mynheers_a_pint]

Time to wade in with my Size 18s...

Con-specific aggression is evident and can be brutal at times but I genuinely don't understand why three baby Golds would do that- it's the inverse of almost all juvenile predatory Characin behavior (See Armatus, Dorado, ATF, Flagtails etc) that, as babies, shoal specifically for protection, only becoming more aggressive as they mature.

To give further examples, my group have been split up in a couple of orientations (Large with med, Med with baby, Baby alone) with zero notable aggression bar the standard posturing while they got used to each other again. The medium one (10") was with the baby (4") for 3 months and yes there was a bit of chasing every now and again but they were in a tiny grow out (55g). I think it would be safe to say that if the larger wolf wanted to kill the baby, it would have done so. Furthermore, the largest (13") and the med swim together happily in my 340g and have done so for the last 7 months and on and off over 18 months. And, as has been mentioned, two or three is not a shoal so if there was a high volume of aggression I would have expected fatalities in either variation.

So in summary... I can't explain it/don't understand it. Did you mix them right away or did you introduce gradually? Were they feeding at all when you got them? Is there nothing else in the tank that could have caused the issue?

EDIT# Just to point out, that it has been done before;

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46044&highlight=gold+wolf

There was also a video on there of a guy who had a comm. of 4 golds, armatus, dorado etc that was kind of my inspiration. I can't find it right now, though.

 

[caribemob]

Time to wade in with my Size 18s...

Con-specific aggression is evident and can be brutal at times but I genuinely don't understand why three baby Golds would do that- it's the inverse of almost all juvenile predatory Characin behavior (See Armatus, Dorado, ATF, Flagtails etc) that, as babies, shoal specifically for protection, only becoming more aggressive as they mature.

To give further examples, my group have been split up in a couple of orientations (Large with med, Med with baby, Baby alone) with zero notable aggression bar the standard posturing while they got used to each other again. The medium one (10") was with the baby (4") for 3 months and yes there was a bit of chasing every now and again but they were in a tiny grow out (55g). I think it would be safe to say that if the larger wolf wanted to kill the baby, it would have done so. Furthermore, the largest (13") and the med swim together happily in my 340g and have done so for the last 7 months and on and off over 18 months. And, as has been mentioned, two or three is not a shoal so if there was a high volume of aggression I would have expected fatalities in either variation.

So in summary... I can't explain it/don't understand it. Did you mix them right away or did you introduce gradually? Were they feeding at all when you got them? Is there nothing else in the tank that could have caused the issue?

EDIT# Just to point out, that it has been done before;

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46044&highlight=gold+wolf

There was also a video on there of a guy who had a comm. of 4 golds, armatus, dorado etc that was kind of my inspiration. I can't find it right now, though.

they were two inches bro when I got them I put them in a 125 gal with severums and they were eating my dovii fry and like I said the large one eat one in half and left him there and the other was torn up, Thats the bottom line dude. I just gave my example doesnt mean it won't work for some one else

 

[mynheers_a_pint]

they were two inches bro when I got them I put them in a 125 gal with severums and they were eating my dovii fry and like I said the large one eat one in half and left him there and the other was torn up, Thats the bottom line dude. I just gave my example doesnt mean it won't work for some one else

I wasn't criticising, just surprised that you had such a problem. I can only surmise that you have had a spot of bad luck.

Chin up; these things happen.

 

[scorp]

I'm still waiting for a picture and will then express the same astonishment as mynheers ^^

 

[Crash607]

Time to wade in with my Size 18s...

Con-specific aggression is evident and can be brutal at times but I genuinely don't understand why three baby Golds would do that- it's the inverse of almost all juvenile predatory Characin behavior (See Armatus, Dorado, ATF, Flagtails etc) that, as babies, shoal specifically for protection, only becoming more aggressive as they mature.

To give further examples, my group have been split up in a couple of orientations (Large with med, Med with baby, Baby alone) with zero notable aggression bar the standard posturing while they got used to each other again. The medium one (10") was with the baby (4") for 3 months and yes there was a bit of chasing every now and again but they were in a tiny grow out (55g). I think it would be safe to say that if the larger wolf wanted to kill the baby, it would have done so. Furthermore, the largest (13") and the med swim together happily in my 340g and have done so for the last 7 months and on and off over 18 months. And, as has been mentioned, two or three is not a shoal so if there was a high volume of aggression I would have expected fatalities in either variation.

So in summary... I can't explain it/don't understand it. Did you mix them right away or did you introduce gradually? Were they feeding at all when you got them? Is there nothing else in the tank that could have caused the issue?

EDIT# Just to point out, that it has been done before;

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46044&highlight=gold+wolf

There was also a video on there of a guy who had a comm. of 4 golds, armatus, dorado etc that was kind of my inspiration. I can't find it right now, though.

mynheers,
when you say that there was a bit of chasing between the wolves, what exactly did it look like? Mine are starting to worry me. It seems like every day the large one gets slightly more intolerant of smaller wolf by chasing him with increased intent. Sometimes I will watch the larger one shoot across the tank to where the smaller one rests. On top of that he will sometimes open his mouth as though he is attempting to take a vicious bite out of him. So far neither have been hurt except for maybe a split in the middle of the tail. When he chases the smaller one around though, they really get going fast. So fast that the smaller one will often bump into things, at which point I will step near the tank to scare them and split them up. I am feeding them 2-3 times a day, should I add more plants or wood maybe?

P.S. As I write this I am watching them have a little episode hah.