Why haven't Coldwater species have been popularized yet?

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True, I won't argue that there is a fair amount of natives that only bring out their most stunning colors for breeding season, but that's not the majority of them. A pumpkinseed or longear will look amazing at any time of year though. I've just had much better experience with natives is all. My old cutteri cichlids just terrorized all tankmates and preferred to bite my hand rather than observe it first. My green sunfish (which by now you probably know, sunfish are pretty much the NA equivalent of cichlids) is much more personable than any cichlid I've owned and will handfeed rather than bite me, she's also intelligent enough that taught her to swim through my hand and jump for food. Getting in to the category of smaller fish, my redside dace at 4" will actually swim against the glass and beg for food! Something I've never observed in any of the tetra species I used to keep. And darters just top them all. They are some of the most intelligent and curious fish for their small size that I've ever seen. They'll all handfeed at 2", they watch you just as much as you watch them, and they'll explore every little detail of the tank that you put them in. And that, is why I like natives so much better than any tropical fish. I'm also seeing that people who like to claim how boring natives are don't bother to mention all the bland tropicals out there. But I don't complain about those fish because normally fish that lack color, whether native or tropical, will sometimes make up for it in personality. Some examples of bland tropicals that people keep.


Like to see a vid of the sunny eating out of your hand show it off

I think these cichlids have a lil personality lol

https://youtu.be/UrTpisaOHQ4

https://youtu.be/OUth6jrrBFE

https://youtu.be/JKygxFOi3-g
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Let me correct a couple of things that have been said since I last posted to this thread.

Someone said that if you slapped native on some cichlids people would want them. The reverse is actually true. If you took some native fish and slapped tropical on them people would want them.

The other thing is why brook trout are missing from former waters. If you look at history you will find that back in the day there were Grayling in most trout waters. At least in Michigan brookies were a fish of creeks and Grayling dominated the rivers. Then logging caused silting and destruction of Grayling habitat. The Brookies filled in those habitats for a while but were later pushed out by browns which are much more aggressive and will eat (actually they are cannibalistic) brookies. Rainbows are not native to the midwest and surely added to the problem.

There is a "world class" brook trout stream near me that our DNR works over every few years to remove the browns, to help keep it a brook trout stream. They shock the river, scoop up the browns which are then transplanted to a local lake. If they did`nt do this the browns would out compete the brookies and they would disappear from that river too.

I want to thank those of you who have posted so many nice pics to this thread. We are blessed to have access to so many awesome fish this day and time. It has`nt always been like that.
 
Let me correct a couple of things that have been said since I last posted to this thread.

Someone said that if you slapped native on some cichlids people would want them. The reverse is actually true. If you took some native fish and slapped tropical on them people would want them.

The other thing is why brook trout are missing from former waters. If you look at history you will find that back in the day there were Grayling in most trout waters. At least in Michigan brookies were a fish of creeks and Grayling dominated the rivers. Then logging caused silting and destruction of Grayling habitat. The Brookies filled in those habitats for a while but were later pushed out by browns which are much more aggressive and will eat (actually they are cannibalistic) brookies. Rainbows are not native to the midwest and surely added to the problem.

There is a "world class" brook trout stream near me that our DNR works over every few years to remove the browns, to help keep it a brook trout stream. They shock the river, scoop up the browns which are then transplanted to a local lake. If they did`nt do this the browns would out compete the brookies and they would disappear from that river too.

I want to thank those of you who have posted so many nice pics to this thread. We are blessed to have access to so many awesome fish this day and time. It has`nt always been like that.
Browns wasn't a huge issue. It was degrading and habitat loss that caused the decline in brook trout populations. Deforestation was a huge issue because the trees provide shade and shelters for brook trout. The trees also cooling the waters as well. Removal of trees led to increasing water temperatures and trout is vulnerable out in open water due to lack of shelters.
 
Let me correct a couple of things that have been said since I last posted to this thread.

Someone said that if you slapped native on some cichlids people would want them. The reverse is actually true. If you took some native fish and slapped tropical on them people would want them.

I think that was directed at one person...

Any way how do you know this?
Something simple as being called native is the reason why they arent as popular


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We have awesome native fish that if they were tropical would be popular. It`s the fact they are native that turns people away from them. Look at the darters as an example. Unbelievable colors, peaceful, not too big, yet only a small minority keep them.

MNrebel, They used to float the trees down the rivers, that is what destroyed the habitat! Check your history and you will see it went just like I said. To this day there are no Grayling in my state because the water quality has never returned to what it was. Brookies can not compete with browns, it`s that simple. Eliminate the browns and the brookies will return but the poor grayling is lost.

Obviously the trees shade the water and do reduce the temp but the trees are back and the temps are down, at least in northern lower Michigan, where I live. We have near pristine trout streams in this region. All of those streams have all three species of trout now found in MI yet the only one that has majority brook trout is the Black River because the browns are removed. The other three rivers have few brookies until you go upstream far enough to get out of brown habitat. They do not like the small feeder creeks and that is why the brookies survive there. I can tell you I grew up fishing these rivers and know their history and what is happening on them now.
 
Thats true but mfkers are informed we see each others fish, research them, then choose to buy them or not. Most of the ca/sa cichlids we keep arent commonly known either. Lfs in my area have never heard of any of the ca i keep.

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That`s a good point jaws7777. And I think some of us pride ourselves in having fish few others have or are even willing to keep. Some of our fish scare the stuffings out of the, shall we say, faint of heart?
 
We have awesome native fish that if they were tropical would be popular. It`s the fact they are native that turns people away from them. Look at the darters as an example. Unbelievable colors, peaceful, not too big, yet only a small minority keep them.

MNrebel, They used to float the trees down the rivers, that is what destroyed the habitat! Check your history and you will see it went just like I said. To this day there are no Grayling in my state because the water quality has never returned to what it was. Brookies can not compete with browns, it`s that simple. Eliminate the browns and the brookies will return but the poor grayling is lost.

Obviously the trees shade the water and do reduce the temp but the trees are back and the temps are down, at least in northern lower Michigan, where I live. We have near pristine trout streams in this region. All of those streams have all three species of trout now found in MI yet the only one that has majority brook trout is the Black River because the browns are removed. The other three rivers have few brookies until you go upstream far enough to get out of brown habitat. They do not like the small feeder creeks and that is why the brookies survive there. I can tell you I grew up fishing these rivers and know their history and what is happening on them now.
again, it wasn't the brown trout that caused a decline in brook trout populations. It was human activities and habitat loss factors. What you think why brown trout are thriving in degraded brook trout streams?
 
Like to see a vid of the sunny eating out of your hand show it off

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Ill get some pics later, the chubs in that tank handfeed as well, as they have since day 3 of having them.
 
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