Why I don't frequent local (or chain) fish stores

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for the LFS to survive its all about costumer service and knowledge. online will never replace discussing and talking fish and building s relationship with your local LFS, if there attitude is buy or leave then they are doomed, and there fault. if they take the time to talk to you about what you have, what you are looking for, and chit chat about it, I will pay the extra buck for something and you find in return they will cut you pricing. buy local fish store i mean a mom and pops, not a chain outlet.

But you're missing the bigger picture. Online already "has" replaced the lfs for a lot of us. My closest lfs is a 45 minute drive away and they are overpriced. That's not quite so local. Chains "are" the only option besides online.

And I ve had very in depth conversations with Shark Aquarium, Jeff Rapps and Gage Brady and they are all online vendors. Last 2 are just online vendors and I can trust them to get what I'm looking for.

Any lfs that doesn't offer an online store and or competitive pricing is setting themselves up to fail. Just the way of the Internet and smartphones and tablets really.


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How difficult would it be for a mom and pops store to set up an online store too? Obviously there might be some issues with food and equipment prices because of the instore mark ups but surely they can keep a website of up to date stock in store and offer to ship


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How difficult would it be for a mom and pops store to set up an online store too? Obviously there might be some issues with food and equipment prices because of the instore mark ups but surely they can keep a website of up to date stock in store and offer to ship


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$$ for having the website is what most likely pushes them away from that


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$$ for having the website is what most likely pushes them away from that


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I pay $120 a year for my PayPal/website/store. With USPS and Fedx international shipping calculators.

It's not a cost thing. Websites are cheap and if you spend a few hours with one, very easy to run.


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I am in Monroe WA, not a big city, the LFS is in the strip mall, LFS may be wrong it is a pet store that also does dog grooming with a fish section, selection is small, I go there for the basics and replenish the wifes glo tank to attrition. and enjoy yaking with the owners. I also buy online for large ticket items or things they do not carry, like boyds vite chem. or buckets of seachem matrix.
 
Exactly. It's really not expensive at all. Social media is a very powerful tool


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Its more like your typical LFS owner isn't tech savvy enough. one of my most recent owner uses craigslist just to promote his shop. I wouldnt even know they existed without that but i think he should take it further with pics and sales ads. He just sits around all day on his laptop anyways


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I'm not tech savvy at all lol.

Sites like Bandzoogle make it really easy to plug and play whatever you need. User friendly is an understatement, especially if you already kinda know how up navigate a computer.




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Most LFS owners put in a tremendous amount of hrs already, the cost of a website isn't the problem. And this issue isn't just about having an online presence, or not. It's far more complex than that. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say things like "adapt or die" (which this truly is a case of) while every man and his dog has become a wholesaler of dry goods, and an importer of live fish from foreign countries. Many of these vendors are in business for less than a couple of years, just long enough to further erode what little market existed prior to their arrival into the "fish business".

Let me give you an example. In my area there are a couple of guys who import fish from South America several times a year. Large orders, lots of very hard to find species, plecos in the $250-500+ range. Not just neon tetras etc. They sponsor online forums, and they give great deals to hobbyists. They do all of this out of their homes, cash is paid for everything, and not a single penny is claimed as revenue at the end of the year.

How does a LFS compete with that?

There are teenage kids in high school now importing fish, expensive fish, Asian aros, rare stingrays, exotic and uber expensive species of all shapes & sizes. Then they blow out just enough (at low ball prices) to cover their costs on one or two fish, and the shipping, and maybe pocket a few bucks.

And again, how does a LFS compete with those kinds of prices?


When I dealt in dry goods (fish food) there were distributors that were hurting enough that they would sell to anyone who had $$$ in hand, not just legit vendors with legit businesses. Some of these idjits (online vendors) would not only sell at lowball prices, making just enough to pay for a couple of buckets of food for their own tanks - but would do so in the parking lot of the LFS. Their prices to hobbyists, was my wholesale price to a retail store!

How does the LFS compete with that?


These types of vendors come and go on an regular basis, one moron leaves and another fills his shoes. They don't know jack about business, have probably never heard of, let alone written up any kind of long term business plan, because for them this isn't a long term venture. Most of these types also do not pay taxes, so for that reason alone it's always going to be difficult for an honest legit business owner to compete with bottom feeders like that.


I'm all for healthy competition and pricing, and getting good deals on everything that I can, but at some point every business owner has to look at their bottom line & decide whether it's worth the effort and costs, or not. Unfortunately there is a huge black market portion of online sales, where cash is paid & receipts don't exist, and IMO this is what's truly hurting the fish economy, not legit tax paying online vendors who are in this long term, and who also want to see the overall market improve.


It's hard to compete with crooks ......
 
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