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[Chaitika]

You cant expect all x-backs to "cross".

If that's the case, then I've either been intentionally mislead or allowed myself to be mislead. Certainly not by the farms, but by sellers.

 

[Gshock]

If that's the case, then I've either been intentionally mislead or allowed myself to be mislead. Certainly not by the farms, but by sellers.

If you mean you always thought that all golds will develop shine on their backs, then yes, you have been mislead.

 

[T1KARMANN]

ok you say you need to buy the aro from a reputable place

by farms putting names like super grade blue base cross back on the cert they are telling you the grade of the fish

so what you are saying is the farms are not a reputable company

a big farm like DFI or panda must be a reputable company all of their aros must turn out sweet and fully cross the seller is just the middle man its the farms who tag the fish and market them with the cert name

most xback never cross so what you are saying is most of the big farms are not reputable

 

[Chaitika]

ok you say you need to buy the aro from a reputable place

by farms putting names like super grade blue base cross back on the cert they are telling you the grade of the fish

so what you are saying is the farms are not a reputable company

a big farm like DFI or panda must be a reputable company all of their aros must turn out sweet and fully cross the seller is just the middle man its the farms who tag the fish and market them with the cert name

most xback never cross so what you are saying is most of the big farms are not reputable

My Panda cert says simply "Red Tail Golden", and my Qian Hu cert simply says "Chilli Red". I've never seen a cert that implies the grade of the aro, but I haven't seen too many to begin with.

 

[Gshock]

ok you say you need to buy the aro from a reputable place

by farms putting names like super grade blue base cross back on the cert they are telling you the grade of the fish

so what you are saying is the farms are not a reputable company

a big farm like DFI or panda must be a reputable company all of their aros must turn out sweet and fully cross the seller is just the middle man its the farms who tag the fish and market them with the cert name

most xback never cross so what you are saying is most of the big farms are not reputable

Panda golds are rtg's. Correct me if Im wrong, but your definition of cross is to have the back of the aro also developed in gold. An actual crossed gold, is just a gold with a shine that reaches the 6th level, this is almost always guaranteed. What I mean is, most gold will not be developing the gold so that it will engulf the whole back. That means, the back on the arowana will be staying the dull-ish colour, instead of having the shiny gold. Only way I can see you having atleast half the chance of an aro with a gold developed on its back is if you get a 24k or an absolute gold, if not, a golden head.

 

[T1KARMANN]

i have had 24k and still it never crossed

you say buy from a reputable seller are the farms not reparable

if you cant trust the farms who can you trust

the farms seam to sell more not so good aros compared to very nice fish

it seams to me if you buy a normal aro from a seller for us$2k don't expect it to look great or anything like the sweet aros you see posted on the net

LFS or private sellers buy aros that will sell meaning they just buy in the cheap $2k xbacks or super reds as this type of fish will sell and chance are the buyer will be disappointed and sell then come back and buy another $2k aro hoping that will turn out better

most LFS wont buy in $20k aros as their is not much of a market for such fish the LFS could sell 10 x low grade $2k aros before it sells 1 x $20k

the fact is if you buy a $2k aro don't expect it to be the aro of your dreams it maybe ok but it wont be great

 

[jlnguyen74]

Okay, lets clarrify something first of all, an x-back is just a MALAY GOLD. You cant expect all x-backs to "cross". And the term crossing just means to reach 6th level shine, not meaning that the gold from both sides of the body will connect at the top of the aro. If you buy a pedigree dog, yes you can expect a doberman or whatever the damn thing says, but that doesnt mean your doberman would be growing out to be a show dog. Nobody knows how an animal will turn out in the future, its just not possible, yes, theres possible hints, but in the end, 99% is still on the fish itself. Unless you were to buy an adult one that has already FULLY crossed, I dont see how ANYONE can guarantee you 100% that you will be getting a gold that will be fully crossing when it grows older. But, obviously, if you were to buy the cheapest gold you can find, your chances of fully crossing is pretty slim compared to if you bought one from a reputable source with a hefty price tag. T1, you keep rays yourself, if you kept henleis, how would you know for sure if they would go solid black or stay brown? Or, if you bred black diamonds, can you guarantee that the black diamond wont come out with yellowish spots? can you gaurantee it wont have running spots? Probably not as alot of other factors come into place.

Very well said!!!

If that's the case, then I've either been intentionally mislead or allowed myself to be mislead. Certainly not by the farms, but by sellers.

Or both Like it's been said, Xback is just the market name for Malaysian Gold. Just like Super Red, Chili Red, 24K Gold, Panda Gold, Golden Head Gold, Absolute Gold, HBRTG, Classic RTG, and many more that will come in near future Back in the 90's, they only go as green, red, RTG, or Malaysian Gold So much confusing with those name nowaday!

i have had 24k and still it never crossed

you say buy from a reputable seller are the farms not reparable

if you cant trust the farms who can you trust

the farms seam to sell more not so good aros compared to very nice fish

it seams to me if you buy a normal aro from a seller for us$2k don't expect it to look great or anything like the sweet aros you see posted on the net

LFS or private sellers buy aros that will sell meaning they just buy in the cheap $2k xbacks or super reds as this type of fish will sell and chance are the buyer will be disappointed and sell then come back and buy another $2k aro hoping that will turn out better

most LFS wont buy in $20k aros as their is not much of a market for such fish the LFS could sell 10 x low grade $2k aros before it sells 1 x $20k

the fact is if you buy a $2k aro don't expect it to be the aro of your dreams it maybe ok but it wont be great

You can always trust the farm, if you pick your fish at the farm. If you get your fish from others, then you must know who to trust Like you said, most LFS won't buy in $20K aro. If you just buy a $2K aro, how can you expect it will turn out like a $20K aro? If it does, then who would spend $20K for a "dreamed" aro?

 

[T1KARMANN]

its the farms who tag and cert the aro not the seller

so by tagging a aro as super grade blue base xback or 24k xback its the farms who have given the fish that name to try to boost sales and make people think its a top fish with a top name

what would a $20k aro have on its cert from the same farm

 

[Gshock]

its the farms who tag and cert the aro not the seller

so by tagging a aro as super grade blue base xback or 24k xback its the farms who have given the fish that name to try to boost sales and make people think its a top fish with a top name

what would a $20k aro have on its cert from the same farm

the point jl is trying to make is, if you want a chance of having a show fish of that quality, you're going to need to take the risk and cough up the money. $2k aros are definitely going to have a fairly low chance of becoming that show fish you want. Even if you do spend $20k on that aro, theres still no gaurantee it'll turn out completely how you want it or how "its suppose to", it only raises your chances by you buying an aro of higher quality.

 

[phillydog1958]

they are gorgeous fish, but i don't think any fish is worth that much, even if i were filthy rich.