Its pointless to continue to snipe at each other on this forum, if questions need to be asked they should be directed to the persons with the answers and it should be done privately. I've stated that I will not respond on this forum to the attacks and intense scrutiny each fish that come from me is put under, the thread that was closed a few days ago made that obvious. This forum is not a court room and who else besides myself and Don are demanded to testify time after time by the same accusers? This thread started 9/25/09 and took over 4 months to get to this point and in the end the fish are F0 from vontehillo exactly as advertised. Trust and purchase from the vendors you have faith in but its obvious that DCT collected and sold this fish since last summer and even the experts named in this thread were unaware its existence, he never asked for any praise or recognition either. This hobby gets better everytime new variants are introduced and regardless of who introduces them. If there is any info you need please send me a pm.