wild caught fish, is that right or not?

[justarn]

well its nice to think the collectors are avoiding other environment destructive avenues via fish collection, just a shame that they have to be snatched from the wild then starved, transported, many die... if they are endangered its the job of zoo's and professionals to start breeding programs, white rhino are nearly gone that doesnt make it ok for hobbie farmers to snatch them and start amatuer breeding projects because they feel they are doing the right thing, after all we wouldnt know the species were endangered if it wasnt for scientists efforts. people should be asking the background of their purchases is all, theres alot of species that will end up like the asian arowanas if people dont take action. just to clarify im not attacking anyone i just like to share my opinion.

People need to think do they want to boost the wild caught economy, funding people to go get them wild or f1 trimacs and amphs when in reality there are plenty of great midevils and fh/trimacs out there that need homes and end up pushed to the side... should we continue to work against the environment instead of living in harmony like every other species on the planet.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Its also shame that many captive bred fish die at Walmarts and other LFS. Not mentioned that many fish were purchased by people that knows nothing about fish keeping. You are trying to makes us thinking that wild caught fish is bad for our hobby but like I said I don't have any problems with harvesting a common species from wild. All of my current fish are wild caught and their populations are dirty common. So don't speculating and do some research instead of getting emotional about wild caught fish dies. But I agree with you one thing and that would be that its just your opinion, not a fact.

 

[Gill Blue]

Theres not many fish that cant be farmed one way or another if needs must. also how long will that common species be common for as the hobbie expands the threat to every common aquarium fish does.

you do realize that fish farms only relocate the damage? sure, the fish aren't being removed and their habitat is somewhat spared, but why do you only care about them? what about the damage to our local environs by having the fish farms? all the creatures who no longer have homes because they had the nerve to live where we wanted holes and water. the trees cut down so they aren't pulling leaves from their ponds used to house and feed birds, bugs, mammals, and reptiles. that area where the building and parking lot cover, that spot once had hundreds of living creatures, now it's just a heat sink to help us turn our planet into a sauna.

if you want to save the creatures and places - QUIT MAKING SO MANY BABIES!
nothing else will do. do the math.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Yup! Invasive species in Florida is perfect example where the fish escaped from fish farms and unfortunately its a common occurrence. Few fish farms are using hot springs to breed either tilapia or tropical fishes in it.

 

[Dieselhybrid]

you do realize that fish farms only relocate the damage? sure, the fish aren't being removed and their habitat is somewhat spared, but why do you only care about them? what about the damage to our local environs by having the fish farms? all the creatures who no longer have homes because they had the nerve to live where we wanted holes and water. the trees cut down so they aren't pulling leaves from their ponds used to house and feed birds, bugs, mammals, and reptiles. that area where the building and parking lot cover, that spot once had hundreds of living creatures, now it's just a heat sink to help us turn our planet into a sauna.

if you want to save the creatures and places - QUIT MAKING SO MANY BABIES!
nothing else will do. do the math.

I agree that the number one thing a human can do to help the environment is not reproduce.

 

[RD.]

People need to think do they want to boost the wild caught economy, funding people to go get them wild or f1 trimacs and amphs when in reality there are plenty of great midevils and fh/trimacs out there that need homes and end up pushed to the side... should we continue to work against the environment instead of living in harmony like every other species on the planet.

Boost the wild caught economy, you mean like the Amphilophus shown below? I wonder how many of those fish died? Oh, right, all of them.

That's just a typical day at the Granada market, on the shore of Lake Nicaragua. And that's just one local fishermans catch.

Then you have those who sell right out of their boat, such as this fisherman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6f1gcwMGg

And those who fish for their families, so they can eat for another day, or week .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_HL3ekjrvs


Not to mention the recreational fishing that takes place year round by tourists......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aLY6JY1DXQ


And then there's the result of years of overfishing with illegal netting practices .....

http://www.nicaragua-community.com/past-present-potential-future-fishing-isletas-granada/


Make sure to watch the youtube vid at the end.





The bottom line is the fish that are collected for the aquarium trade, is but a teeny tiny little drop in the ocean compared to what gets harvested by local fisherman. This same scenario is how it plays out in most 3rd world countries, where most of the locals don't have the luxury to go shopping for fresh food at the local supermarket, because most of them are living in poverty.


If you really want to make a difference, donate some $$$ to the many different organizations that put back into the local economies & the saving and rebuilding of their local habitat.

 

[HarleyK]

This is MonsterFishKeepers. We are at the frontier of fish keeping.

Besides, you have to start with wild caught animals if you want to start breeding them in captivity...


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[importracer]

wild caught fish have a greater chance of carrying disease................But, if you breed, you are extending much needed bloodlines in the hobby.......

 

[MN_Rebel]

wild caught fish have a greater chance of carrying disease................But, if you breed, you are extending much needed bloodlines in the hobby.......

I know many captive bred fishes that have weak immunity against diseases. Wild caught and feral populations are highly sought for some folks to boost up the genetic base and add vigor to.

 

[cichlidcave]

Bragging rights? That's childish so I agree on that part. However, some dedicated hobbyists enjoy actual wildlife in their facility not even for profit but for a couple of reasons. 1 being to keep high physical standards and genetics, because we all know that over time, characteristics of captive bred animals physically change over time. 2. Conservation of species like somebody mentioned about getting f0 Ornatum to produce f1's hence less fish being taken from their habitats. If particular species are endangered then they shouldn't be allowed to be imported (which they are not unless you're a scientist) which is still beneficial IMO. Take A. Lyonsi for example. If it weren't for people originally collecting them decades ago they would most definitely be extinct because they tried to be reintroduced many times through breeding projects and they failed so thanks to those people that species is still upon us. But again, for people having bragging rights of having a WC endangered fish is BS and disrespectful to the hobby.