Wild caught silvers are no slouches

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rumblesushi;493965; said:
But Del - how do you know that?

Everytime I asked to find out where silvers aros were from in England, they were from a farm in Asia or Florida. Seeing as there are actually farms in the US that breed silvers, it'a unlikely most of them are wild caught where you are.

Tell me, Who are you asking? LFS employees? Also, Inform us about the captive breeding program in FLordia. I would love to know more about this new information you have brought about.

How many people have you asked their source about aros?

Who should I be asking? WHO are you asking?

Just like when I was in the market for tigs, everyone I asked said the tig was captive bred. And the same for pbass, all but 1 were captive bred.

Tigrinus are being captive bred?

Most of the VERY freely available fish like silvers, are by and large captive bred.

So all of these beautiful species of plecos are captive bred, because they are "freely available?"

Fish like acestrorhynchus and hydrolycus are wild caught all the time.

But they are all over the hobby!!! that contradicts your above point. If they are freely available, then they must surely be Captive bred correct?

Channas are by and large captive bred too.

Is that so? Tell me, there are farms in asia breeding all these species of Channa we have in the hobby?

Del I hate break your heart, but you're wrong as often as you're right :D I forgive you though, you are a teenager afterall :D

The only true way to learn, is to fail. What does being a Teen have to do with this? I built a DIY 2000gallon indoor pond system when I was 15-16. Have you?
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Neil, do you not realise most tigs are captive (hormone) bred?

Not LFS employees, either wholesalers or people who import the fish themselves. Which is who del should be asking.

And yes there are farms in Asia breeding most of the species of channa we see, including micropeltes, striata, marulius, bleheri etc. Most of the channas you see for sale.

Learning, failing, and building DIY ponds has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, this is about del thinking most silvers are wild caught, and me telling him he's wrong.

And the acestro/hydro statement doesn't contradict my point one iota, there are not close to being as freely available as silvers. I've seen silver aros in almost every LFS in england that ever gets predators in. They are at least as common as P's, not quite as common as oscars. Yet in England I had to drive 2 hours to buy a hydrolycus, and get acestro altus imported, and get a cynodon gibbus imported. They are not commonly stocked fish.
 
OddBaller;382346; said:
Actually all silver arowanas here in the states are "wild caught"...... even the one coming from asia...... which are sent there at a very small size to be "grown out"...... Captive breeding has been producing minimal numbers in the past few years but still not enough to compete with the "wild" ones coming out of SA.......
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OddBaller;382598; said:
Japan is not the largest market...... they do not need to raised by parents.....( though benificial for protection)..... parents not slaughtered....... and i never seen a SA go for
10K....... except for maybe a albino or platinum...... regardless they will really be crying down in brazil when asia starts producing them in large numbers....... imagine the revenue they will lose....... put it this way........ i know a person who alone exports over 1.7 million baby silvers to asia every year........ less than 5% comes back to the states..... that is money that will stay in asia....... over 70% of all ornamental fish coming from asia are "farm raised" F1,0000 generations....... sure they dye and tatoo a few fish..... but on a "enviormental" standpoint......... pros out weigh the cons.......

sorry for the rambling...... just had to say my .02
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That's interesting. I certainly trust Oddballer's expertise so he may well be right.

If what he says is true there must be somewhat of a misunderstanding, and that is farm-raised = farm bred. For example the aros I've enquired about in England were allegedly captive bred in Asia. Maybe captive bred is really farm raised to a more sellable size, with a lower shipping mortality rate.

But then again, last year my girlfriend bought a 2.5 inch aro that was from a farm. Highly unlikely they'd grow it from say 1.5 inches to 2.5 and then sell it :D

And also, think about the amount of Asian aros that are farm bred. Is it any harder to breed silvers? Even your aro managed to lay eggs Del. So it's just as believable that they really are farm-bred, not just farm raised.
 
rumblesushi;494387; said:
Neil, do you not realise most tigs are captive (hormone) bred?

I would like Information on this, ANd unless you can pull some legit info, I will not believe this and either should anyone else.

Not LFS employees, either wholesalers or people who import the fish themselves. Which is who del should be asking.

Who, I would like a list of the people you contacted and researched about this subject.

And yes there are farms in Asia breeding most of the species of channa we see, including micropeltes, striata, marulius, bleheri etc. Most of the channas you see for sale.

I want some legit information, untill I get this, your information is nothing but "stipulation". There are a few food species being bred, this I know, but I am more interested in Barca or Cobra SHs. Tell me what farms are breeding these.


Learning, failing, and building DIY ponds has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, this is about del thinking most silvers are wild caught, and me telling him he's wrong.

Del is indeed correct. You are mistaken and therefore are subjected to giving false information.

And the acestro/hydro statement doesn't contradict my point one iota, there are not close to being as freely available as silvers. I've seen silver aros in almost every LFS in england that ever gets predators in. They are at least as common as P's, not quite as common as oscars. Yet in England I had to drive 2 hours to buy a hydrolycus, and get acestro altus imported, and get a cynodon gibbus imported. They are not commonly stocked fish.

Actually they are indeed common fish. And it does infact contradict your point. Tell me, are Stingrays being farm raised? They are all over the hobby, are people breeding flower rays?
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rumblesushi;494486; said:
That's interesting. I certainly trust Oddballer's expertise so he may well be right.

If what he says is true there must be somewhat of a misunderstanding, and that is farm-raised = farm bred. For example the aros I've enquired about in England were allegedly captive bred in Asia. Maybe captive bred is really farm raised to a more sellable size, with a lower shipping mortality rate.

But then again, last year my girlfriend bought a 2.5 inch aro that was from a farm. Highly unlikely they'd grow it from say 1.5 inches to 2.5 and then sell it :D

And also, think about the amount of Asian aros that are farm bred. Is it any harder to breed silvers? Even your aro managed to lay eggs Del. So it's just as believable that they really are farm-bred, not just farm raised.
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Not, its not Interesting. Its enlightening.

You are incorrect. Oddball and Del, are correct.


Tell me, Did you get a certificate saying that your fish was farm raised? If not, then you cannot even SUGGEST it was. That would be ignorant.


Good work Del. You are right.
 
Neal I hate to disagree with you but I feel that most arros are farm raised as well. The taking of all those babies from wild stock seems a lttle far fetched:WHOA:
 
What proof and evidence do you have that all silvers are wild caught? :D It goes both ways. Without evidence it's all hearsay and speculation, not "stipulation" as you suggested. A stipulation is a condition, come on Neil, surely you know that :D

No I have no certificate, because my fish is not farm raised, it was imported from South America to Spain. The cobra snakehead I have was imported from a farm in Asia, it's captive bred.

When did I mention barca? What on earth are you on about? Barca have NEVER been bred - do you even know what a channa barca is? There are somewhere around 10 in captivity and ashdavid has 3 of them. 2 of them were imported to the UK by Tom Halvorsen, before being sold to ashdavid.

Tell me - given the mass breeding of Asian aros in Asia, why is it so hard to fathom that silver aros are also mass bred? And acestros and hydrolycus are not what I would consider common, at least not in England. Like I said, they both had to be ordered. The only place I've visited in the UK that stock them both routinely is Wildwoods, one of the best fish places in England.

In the average LFS in the US are you more likely to see a silver aro or a cuda or vamp tetra?
 
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